King Tiger????

[Nypsy]

Depending on the source, around 45 Ostwinds and 100 Wirbelwinds were produced during the war.

I don't think numbers have ever mattered too much to HTC. If HTC feels the game needs a certain plane or vehicle it's there.

[Tank-Ace]

then why not a FlaK cannon? Fact is the wirbs and osties just don't cut it out past 1.5k. If you ask me, wirbs and osties are a deterent, a strong one to most people, but if you piss someone off, it won't stop them. Once they make that calculation, once they decide they can get their bombs out before going down, nothing this side of an AAA gun will stop them.

[stroker71]

Depending on the source, around 45 Ostwinds and 100 Wirbelwinds were produced during the war.

I don't think numbers have ever mattered too much to HTC. If HTC feels the game needs a certain plane or vehicle it's there.

QFT

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[AAJagerX]

Ppl that hear about a GV fight, go bomb without any request for ordnance, and bomb the highest perked tank there just piss me off.

Why?  I don't participate in many egging sessions, but it seems fairly logical to deal with the greatest threat first.  Just like furballing, take out the planes that have the best chance of killing you first...  Then take care of the lesser threats.  If you up a perked tank or plane, you're going to be a target.  Accept it.

[Tank-Ace]

Because is not their place. They aren't doing it to protect their base, or help their friends, they bombing just to bomb. If we we're rolling for the base, and the defenders can't stop us, ok, release the A20's. But there are often GV bombers at an even odds fight without any camping taking place.

If we had a spawnable 90mm with proxy shells, HTC would hear the furballer's screams all the way from texas. The fighters would see it as an encroachment on their territory, and it would royaly piss them off.

[AAJagerX]

Because is not their place. They aren't doing it to protect their base, or help their friends, they bombing just to bomb. If we we're rolling for the base, and the defenders can't stop us, ok, release the A20's. But there are often GV bombers at an even odds fight without any camping taking place.

If we had a spawnable 90mm with proxy shells, HTC would hear the furballer's screams all the way from texas. The fighters would see it as an encroachment on their territory, and it would royaly piss them off.

In your opinion it's "not their place".  How do you know that they're not doing it to help their friends or to protect an asset of some sort?  Also, a flak gun with alot of ammo would be far more devestating than a jabo with a couple of bombs.

Point being, there is no "territory" in AH.  You spawn in, you have a chance of being shot at by many aircraft and vehicles. 

If you REALLY wanted to have an uninterrupted tank fight, you'd spawn in at the tank town area...  Unfortunately, the tank town areas are usually barren of activity.  If you up in an area that aircraft are going to be hunting you, why complain about being bombed?  It was your decision to go there in the first place.

[Karnak]

Because is not their place. They aren't doing it to protect their base, or help their friends, they bombing just to bomb. If we we're rolling for the base, and the defenders can't stop us, ok, release the A20's. But there are often GV bombers at an even odds fight without any camping taking place.

If we had a spawnable 90mm with proxy shells, HTC would hear the furballer's screams all the way from texas. The fighters would see it as an encroachment on their territory, and it would royaly piss them off.

Bombing GVs is fun and it is part of the game.  I've never seen a GVer fail to try to kill an enemy fighter that was engaged with one of his side's fighters and passed within rage of his machine guns or AA cannons.  It is a two way street and you are playing in a combat environment that includes being attacked by aircraft, deal with it.

[Meatwad]

Believeing what you read on facebook is like believing in the easter bunny.......its fun until you realise its all been a  lie

[zippo]

Bombing GVs is fun and it is part of the game.  I've never seen a GVer fail to try to kill an enemy fighter that was engaged with one of his side's fighters and passed within rage of his machine guns or AA cannons.  It is a two way street and you are playing in a combat environment that includes being attacked by aircraft, deal with it.

Seems that some people here spend a lot of their time bombing gv's...drop their ords, go land their kills, up more ords, etc, etc.  Unless the pilot does something foolish, tanks don't have any defence against it(talking tanks..not flak guns).  If I up a perked tank and get killed by another gv..good for him, but when I lose a perked ride with no was to fight back it gets annoying.  And as for the lancstukas...hard to believe that strategic bombers were out dive bombing individual tanks.  Interesting stuff in the stats.

[Tank-Ace]

In your opinion it's "not their place".  How do you know that they're not doing it to help their friends or to protect an asset of some sort?

Also, a flak gun with alot of ammo would be far more devestating than a jabo with a couple of bombs.

If you REALLY wanted to have an uninterrupted tank fight, you'd spawn in at the tank town area...  Unfortunately, the tank town areas are usually barren of activity.  If you up in an area that aircraft are going to be hunting you, why complain about being bombed?  It was your decision to go there in the first place.

Admited it. I can't count the number of times I've heard (seen really) "to piss you guys off mate, no better sport than that". Another favorite is "bombing targets aren't worth chit, so what else am I gonna bomb?".

give it 100 rds and we're fine. its not a 5", you can't make due with making it close. It would require a near direct hit. Picture how close you have to put a panzer's HE shell to kill an aircraft on the tarmac. Increase that circle by about 2/3' and you have the FlaK 36's shell. And you have to set the fuze yourself. AND you're aiming at a constantly manuvering target. How many people do you think have the skill to kill a big swarm of aircraft under those conditions? I think the issue is greatly exagerated on your part.

And since it wouldn't be as big of a threat as you suggest, it means it would be for a group of flackers to go out into a furball and knock down the planes they can. If they do, I guarantee the people shot down will be screaming bloody murder about how the evil AA guns should be perked, god forbid the lemmings on the ground are able to shoot back  .

And zippo makes a good point. As long as aircraft are in the area, you can't up a perked tank without fear of bombers. the people in the 262's don't have to worry about someone else taking care of the things intending them harm, but GV'ers do. Aircraft are also 100% capable of avoiding the wirbs, but tanks don't have the ability to dodge or avoid bombs. If you die in a 262, its because you screw up or didn't look closely enough. But you can be doing EVERYTHING right in a perk tank and still be killed. So I'll make you a deal juggler, when tanks start shooting down perk planes on a regular basis, I'll shut up about the bombing.

Do you see the differences, and how it would make us tankers resent the bomb****s a bit?

[Karnak]

Seems that some people here spend a lot of their time bombing gv's...drop their ords, go land their kills, up more ords, etc, etc.  Unless the pilot does something foolish, tanks don't have any defence against it(talking tanks..not flak guns).

Boohoo, bring some AA vehicles to cover your group as well.  You know there are a lot of bomb laden aircraft out there.  Should I whine that my airplane has almost no life expectancy near an enemy fleet? 

If I up a perked tank and get killed by another gv..good for him, but when I lose a perked ride with no was to fight back it gets annoying.

Oh well, it happens.  Bring friends next time.

And as for the lancstukas...hard to believe that strategic bombers were out dive bombing individual tanks.  Interesting stuff in the stats.

Nope, they definitely didn't exist in reality.  They didn't exist because they are a near useless suicide mission.  What was it that Lusche's chart showed?  0.4% of vehicle deaths were to Lancasters?  One of the largest exaggerated whines in the game.

[Greebo]

You know the best defence against air attack is fighter cover and I very rarely see gvers asking for air support on the Bish country channel. Most fighter pilots would love to browse on unescorted low alt Lancs and jabos.

[zippo]

Boohoo, bring some AA vehicles to cover your group as well.  You know there are a lot of bomb laden aircraft out there.  Should I whine that my airplane has almost no life expectancy near an enemy fleet? 

Flak guns spawning in to a hot spawn (v85 comes to mind) probably have less life expectancy than your plane near a fleet.  They are under tank fire when they spawn in.

 
Oh well, it happens.  Bring friends next time.Nope, they definitely didn't exist in reality.  They didn't exist because they are a near useless suicide mission.  What was it that Lusche's chart showed?  0.4% of vehicle deaths were to Lancasters?  One of the largest exaggerated whines in the game.

I need to find Lusche's chart...as of today, of 2147 kills by lancasters, 811 were vehicles.  I may be reading the stats wrong.

[Tank-Ace]

I wonder how many people going "your fault fault for upping" and "up a flack". Are speaking with any real expierence.

I've done just about everything at one point or another and I can say this from expierence: bombing is easy, defending against it is much  harder for the guys on the ground.

[Karnak]

I need to find Lusche's chart...as of today, of 2147 kills by lancasters, 811 were vehicles.  I may be reading the stats wrong.

You are reading the stats wrong.  You shouldn't be looking at what percentage of the Lancaster's kills are vehicles, just the total number of vehicle kills by Lancasters compared to the total number of vehicle kills.  The total number of Lancaster kills is completely irrelevant.