wish list,list

[stabbyy]

i have been playing for about 3 months now give or take and in that time as short as it is and long as it is for some
ive notcied a few things here and there i did a quick search and found none of what will be posted below ever posted
i may have searched it poorly and if its already been sugjested by all means speak up or if im totaly wrong on somthing
feel free to correct me now some sugjestions may overlap previously sugjested ones given the fact they are directly
related such as b29/nuke they are 2 dif subjects that useally get mashed together...


#1 manned 40mm quad armored gun emplacement

at the end of the runway near the rearming pads added to airfeilds
reason for this the airfeild is simple to de ak.. 37mm manned ak take 1 20mm round maybe 2 to take out it would help
with the vulching issue of planes on the runway and planes on the re arm pad now i know ppl say vulching was real in WWII and it was but the differance
here is once a plane was shot or the pilot was killed...that was it the planes in game obviously re up and its not "vulching" it becomes spawn camping killing a plane once or twice while landing or take off is one thing
but when you have 10-20 fighters sitting over the airfeild waiting to shoot anything that moves the secound it ups is no longer vulching it becomes spawn camping the airfeild so the point "vulching happend in WWII" is irrelivant becuase
while it did... the planes never respawned

given the fact they are armored they would be harder to "strafe" then your standard gun which in theory would help against spawn camping


#2 YB-40 boeing YB 40 b17 varriant escourt gun platform
similiar to a b17 but carried no bombs and instead of the 10-12 50 cals the b17 normaly had
it was increased to 18-30 50 cals aswell as some extra armor it was used to escourt b17s

25 built did see action/combat and in squadren(in part with the b17s)

Maximum speed: 292 mph
Cruise speed: 196 mph
Range: 2,260 mi
Service ceiling: 29,200 ft
Rate of climb: ft/min ?
Wing loading: 47.2 lb/ft
Power/mass: 0.066 hp/lb


Location Rounds
Nose 2200
Front top turret 2500
Aft top turret 3300
Ball turret 300
Waist guns 1200
Tail guns 1200
Total 10,700


#3 CB-17G b17 varriant troop transport carrier

reason for this one(we could use a better/newer troop carrier) also this thing should be perked

this varriant had most of its guns removed besides x2 50 cal in nose/tail and was
capeable of carrying up to 64 troops

25 were built

Maximum speed: 300 mph (480 km/h)


#4 ju 290 A-5 german heavy bomber/maritime patrol aircraft

not very impressive in terms of combat seen but its not an HE 177 which everyone seems to want...but it is
still a german heavy bomber and produced from 1942-1946 which would give us a midwar perked bomber aswell as
an option to use somthing besides lancs...for alot of bombs granted we have other bombers in game but no
german heavy bombers...and any bomber pilot knows aswell if your engaged in a flight of lancs your most likely
going down with its 600 round tail ammo...even if you live next plane gets you

Crew: 9
Length: 93 ft 11 in
Wingspan: 137 ft 9 in
Height: 22 ft 5 in
Wing area: 2,191 ft?
Empty weight: 72,611 lb
Maximum takeoff weight: 99,141 lb
engines: 4? BMW 801G/H 14-cylinder radial engines, 1,700 hp each


2 ? 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons in dorsal turrets
1 ? 20 mm MG 151/20 in tail
2 ? MG 151/20s(cannons) at waist
1 ? MG 151/20s(cannons) in gondola
2 ? 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in gondola

Bombs
Bomber versions could carry up to 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) of disposable stores or up to 3 Fritz X or
Henschel Hs 293 radio-guided munitions, though these were not widely used

obviously we probably wont have those ords added to game so probably switch them out for say 8-10k lb payload granted
not historical but then again... the stuka never carried a 1800kg bomb


#5 Ju 87 C carrier based stuka varriant

120 were built and could carry 500 kg (1,100 lb) bomb and four SC 50 kg (110 lb) bombs under the fuselage

gun wise MG 17s mounted in the wing with a MG 15 operated by the rear gunner

all stukas were lost durring the war... couldent find to much info on these i know everyone says germany didint have any
carriers built durring WWII but they did have an active one as well as working on one so they did design and produce carrier
based aircraft


#6 task groups

rearming elevator on the port side of the ship needs to be raised it is very dificult to take off from
when turning or landing i do not see a reason that this needs to be down.. also when directing the path of cv's
it would be nice if the way point turned red when it touches land...so you could tell the errored section aswell as
possible formation option(row) (line) (slant) or star which is what its in now and possibly remove the baltimore as
lead ship and move it to the rear/side and replace it with an iowa or perhaps a smaller battleship such as a nevada
or south dakota class battle ship As lead ship.. shooting 5" Flak over your ships should not be allowed the AA shells worked on radio proximity fuses
which were set off by anything refelective in close proximity to them after being shot(shuch as a large object as a ship or plane)



#7 m12 gun motor carriage self propelled gun

100 built

primary armament 155mm gun 10 rounds

secoundairy armament .50 browning m2 machine gun

top speed 11.8 mph off road

During 1943 the vehicles were used for training or put into storage. Before the invasion of France, 74 M12s were upgraded in preparation for combat operations. They were employed successfully throughout the campaign in NW-Europe.
Although designed primarily for indirect fire, during assaults on heavy fortifications
the M12s were sometimes employed in a direct-fire role.
Limited storage space meant that only 10 projectiles and propellant charges could be carried on the vehicle. Given this, a similar vehicle, but without the gun, was produced as the Cargo Carrier M30. This was designed to transport the gun crew and additional ammunition.
In operational conditions the M12 and M30 would serve in pairs.
The M30 was armed with a .50-caliber Browning M2 machine gun. It could carry 40 rounds of 155 mm ammunition.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M12_Gun_Motor_Carriage) copyed it from that... all i could really find

would be a nice addition and kind of promote "convoy" gv's as they traveled together aswell as some bigger guns
used in the war


#8 real night time
i know its been in the MA's twice but honestly the night time is amazing the way everything looks and is its sad that its not used
and why do we have night fighters that stand no chance against day fighters
and night aircraft or night skins yet all we ever get is dusk? it would offer an advantage tacticly
to the losing team or attacking team to make some ground they lost and possibly help prevent the hoard 19 hours of day 1 hour of night isint a bad trade?
i just think it would be nice or at leaste have dusk longer not the 20min it is now at leaste...




if you dont agree with these i can understand but if you do disagree please post postively not in a negative/flaming maner if you have a counter point to one of them please explain dont just say no or lame or stupid
thank you for reading and your time.

[stabbyy]

on a random note...almost all the question marks were orginaly / idk why they went to question marks

[Tank-Ace]

hate to break it to you bud, but you must have done the search wrong. Everything but the 87C and the TG thing has been asked for I think.

[LThunderpocket]

i could go for some of them if they dont put in all.chances are they wont add any

[flatiron1]

I think we should add punctuation marks.

[stabbyy]

I think we should add punctuation marks.

Agreed but i had to type it in note pad and copy and paste it back n forth twice becuase for some reason the typing box on the forum goes up to the top everytime i try to type at the bottom which is prob on my end so i just quick typed it in notepad as it still took about hour 40 mins to type/look up facts and then copyed it from notepad into here..

and also i kind of suck with punctuation it slows my typing down to much and i was working against the clock but if you like i can add some in the morning

[stabbyy]

@ tank ace

very possible but the website search yeilds nothing for m12/ju 290/YB-40/CB17G which is what i ment when subjects offten
get mashed together like b29/nuke the nuke has no direct relation to the b29 as an aircraft the b29 has no direct relation to the nuke they were not made "as one"

people useally refer to a bombless b17 when refering to a yb 40 when in reality they are 2 dif planes

@LThunderpocket

which some do you think you could go for and which ones do you think are a bad idea? and yeah they may not add them but its a wishlist one can only try

[ImADot]

for some reason the typing box on the forum goes up to the top everytime i try to type at the bottom which is prob on my end

Run Internet Explorer in compatibility mode and the forum post editing box works fine.

[icepac]

Isn't the search function broken?

It doesn't work for me.

[stabbyy]

@ dot
thank you, that should help allot.


@ icepac
would appear it is... or theres some over complex way to use it that I'm not understanding.

@ flatiron
i can no longer edit the post (this i did not know) so typing errors are there to stay

@ all
eitherway actual topic input?

[AKP]

YB-40:

The YB-40 Project was created to provide a heavier armed escort for the earlier b-17s before the long range fighter escorts became available.  The problem with it was, that after the standard B-17's had dropped their payload, the YB-40's were still much much heavier due to the extra guns, armor plating and ammunition, and could not keep up with the now lighter and faster bombers.

It was also heavier than a fully laden B-17 before any bombs were dropped, and it took it twice as long to climb as a standard B-17.  

As a result... the EXPERIMENTAL project was abandoned.  

Nighttime:

We used to have it... but the majority of players would log off during it and wait for daytime to roll back around.  As a result, HTC did away with night time operations.

[stabbyy]

YB-40:

The YB-40 Project was created to provide a heavier armed escort for the earlier b-17s before the long range fighter escorts became available.  The problem with it was, that after the standard B-17's had dropped their payload, the YB-40's were still much much heavier due to the extra guns, armor plating and ammunition, and could not keep up with the now lighter and faster bombers.

It was also heavier than a fully laden B-17 before any bombs were dropped, and it took it twice as long to climb as a standard B-17.  

As a result... the EXPERIMENTAL project was abandoned.  

Nighttime:

We used to have it... but the majority of players would log off during it and wait for daytime to roll back around.  As a result, HTC did away with night time operations.

@ night time
yes but i havent been playing that long and i asume that was some time ago as when i played about a year ago i never saw night time it seems people now would like to have it newer players/people wanting a bit of change.. not saying have it nighttime 3-4 hours of the day but an hour would be reasonible... or at leaste 20 min of dusk then 20 min of night then 20min of dawn then day time would be nice i think

the YB 40 wasent really "experimental" it was built for the reason u stated do to lack of escort fighters and yes it was heavier and could not keep up after they droped the bombs but thats beside the point it was real.. it was built/produced and served in multiple bombing raids...in rather decent numbers below is some basic information just for seaching YB-40 missions pretty active aircraft for an experiment...didint say it served long but it did serve

29 May 1943 - attacked submarine pens and locks at Saint-Nazaire. Smaller strikes were made at Rennes naval depot and U-boat yards at La Pallice. In the attack 7 YB-40s were dispatched to Saint-Nazaire; they were unable to keep up with B-17s on their return from the target and modification of the waist and tail gun feeds and ammunition supplies was found to be needed. The YB-40s were sent to Technical Service Command at the Abbots Ripton 2nd Strategic Air Depot for modifications.

15 June 1943 - 4 YB-40s were dispatched from Alconbury in a raid on Le Mans after completion of additional modifications.

22 June 1943 - attack on the I.G. Farben Industrie Chemische Werke synthetic rubber plant at H?ls. The plant, representing a large percentage of the Germany's synthetic rubber producing capacity, is severely damaged. In the raid 11 YB-40s were dispatched; aircraft 42-5735 was lost, being first damaged by flak. and later shot down by Uffz. Bernhard Kunze in an FW-190A-4 of JG 1/1 over Pont, Germany. The ten crew members survived and were taken prisoner.

25 June 1943 - attack on Blohm & Voss sub shops at Oldenburg. This was the secondary target, as the primary at Hamburg was obscured by clouds. In this raid 7 YB-40?s were dispatched, of which two aborted. Two German aircraft were claimed as destroyed.

26 June 1943 - scheduled but aborted participation in attack on the Luftwaffe air depot at Villacoublay, France (primary target) and also the Luftwaffe airfield at Poissy, France. The 5 YB-40s assigned to the attack were unable to form up with the bombing squadron, and returned to base.

28 June 1943 - attack on the U-boat pens at Saint-Nazaire. In the raid the only serviceable lock entrance to the pens was destroyed. In this attack 6 YB-40?s were dispatched, and one German aircraft was claimed as destroyed.

29 June 1943 - scheduled participation in attack on the Luftwaffe air depot at Villacoublay, but aircraft returned to Alconbury due to clouds obscuring the target. In the raid 2 YB 40?s dispatched, 1 aborted.

4 July 1943 - attacks on aircraft factories at Nantes and Le Mans, France. In these raids 2 YB-40s were dispatched to Nantes and 1 to Le Mans.

10 July 1943 - attack on Caen/Carpiquet airfield. In this raid 5 YB-40s were dispatched.

14 July 1943 - attacked Luftwaffe air depot at Villacoublay. In this raid 5 YB-40s were dispatched.

17 July 1943 - YB-40s recalled from a raid on Hannover due to bad weather. In this raid 2 YB-40s were dispatched.

24 July 1943 - YB-40s recalled from an attack on on Bergen, Norway due to cloud cover. In this raid 1 YB-40 was dispatched.

28 July 1943 - attack on the Fiesler aircraft factory at Kassel. In this raid 2 YB-40s were dispatched.

29 July 1943 - attack on U-boat yards at Kiel. In this raid 2 YB-40s were dispatched.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YB-40_Flying_Fortress

[AKP]

Wikipedia isnt the best source to get info from for here... but I admire your tenacity  I am not questioning that they saw some service,  but the project was a failure.  And in AH terms, I dont see a need or a role for them.  The B-17's we currently have in game are the B-17G... which was built after the YB-40, and incorporated the chin turret that the YB-40 had.

The B-17G is more than capable of defending itself, and there are more than enough escorts in game to fly with it to just about anywhere, on any map we have.

Finally, the "Y" designation is assigned to prototype aircraft... or those that have not been accepted in full production.  It was quite simply, an experimental project, that produced less than the desired results, and was obsolete almost as soon as it was deployed.  Therefore... it was canceled after just 2 months of service in the war.  

The YB-40 concept suffered from two major problems. The first was that the heavily laden gun ships couldn?t keep up with the standard bombers after they had dropped their bombs. The second was that a single YB-40 in a formation didn?t actually provide that much extra firepower. The B-17F carried eleven 0.50in guns, while the B-17G could carry as many as thirteen. It was calculated that they were only 10% more effective at repelling German fighters than the standard B-17F, most of which was due to the chin turret. The program lingered on until September 1943 when it was finally cancelled, after 22 YB-40s had been produced.

source: http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_YB-40.html

The YB-40 was a derivation of the Boeing B-17, in which additional guns were added in hopes that these heavily-armed B-17s would be able to "escort" the other bombers, protecting them from enemy fighter attacks when beyond the range of friendly fighter escort. Lockheed-Vega had the task of doing the conversion work on the Boeing B-17s, but only twenty YB-40s were made, as well as four training models known as the TB-40. Changes included a remotely-controlled chin turret (which later became standard on the B-17G model), twin .50 caliber guns in the waist positions (instead of the single guns), an extra twin gun power turret behind what used to be the radio operator's gun position, and sometimes extra cheek guns in the nose. The bombs and bombardier were left behind, and extra ammo for the guns was carried. Even with the reduction in weight without the bombs, the added weight of guns and ammo made the aircraft heavier and slower. As a result, once the other bombers had released their bombloads, the YB-40s were outpaced by their lighter brethren, and so failed in their role as escorts. The program was made obsolete not only by its own failures, but by the appearance of long-range fighter escorts that could fill the role much more ably.

source: http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/yb-40.htm

The 92nd took the YB-40 over the Third Reich for the first time on May 29, 1943. No significant air-to-air action took place. Heading home, the group?s B-17s, unburdened of the weight of their bombs, found themselves flying faster than the YB-40s, overburdened with drag-creating extra turrets and their massive load of ammunition. Since no one wanted to be a straggler in the ongoing campaign against German fighters, the YB-40s were now more a burden than a help.

source: http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/my-brilliant-mistake-the-yb-40/

Unfortunately, the modified escort bombers were not maneuverable enough to protect large formations. They were also excessively tail heavy and overweight. A standard B-17F formation returning from a mission (after bomb release) outpaced the escort bombers. The YB-40 participated in only a few operational missions in mid-1943 before being withdrawn from service.

source: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2590

[AKP]

But hey... this is the wish list.  Wish away my friend 

[stabbyy]

yeah i know its not the best source or 100% accurate then again what is... without the actaul mission list was only a basic search to prove that it did serve and there could be multiple uses for one in game circling a town killing c47s...and troops providing air support over an airfeild tricking somone into thinking they are diving on b17s u have to remember its a game planes that wernt "effective" in real life tend to be 10x more effective like a B25H in game

or maybe somone just wants to buff gun without the worry of a bad pilot/lining up bomb run

or fly them low and turn them into gunships really its up to the pilot what they want to do with them... like a lancstuka

but it is a wish lsit and i will wish away and see what happens, ty for not just flaming or posting somthing with 0 value for the sake of posting and did not no the Y in designation stood for prototype but im not 100% sure it would be classed as one as there were multiple produced not just 1 or 2 and they did serve in squadrens so who knows