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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2011, 05:08:49 PM »
I very much wish that some angel could have whispered in her ear in 2002 and showed her what she would look like in June of 2011 if she allowed herself to fall to the lure of drugs.  Sad, those who have made snarky comments.  It could have been your friend or relative on the slab.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2011, 05:57:17 PM »
^^ This.

Rest in peace beautiful, sing to the angels. ;)
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2011, 07:37:51 PM »
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2011, 07:41:39 PM »
Janice Joplin  27
Jimi Hendrix   27
Kurt Cobain   27

Linsey Lohan is 25....



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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2011, 09:13:30 PM »
I feel sorry for Amy.

Very easy to say "just quit the dope".
For most of us that is just what we do but I have friends who died from cocaine and heroin addictions. Smart talented people who just could not say no.
I bet many of you have friends lost to a drug.

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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2011, 11:06:40 PM »
I liked Cobain's music.  I like Eurotrashqueen's music too.

Both of them had ways to get help and the means to get it.  They didn't want it.



Layne Staley got eaten up by ants and was older than 27, but he was great too.  What does that mean? Oh no, I better load another bowl man.  It's all so weird and stuff, man. 



This whole 27 crap is just that.  If you think their is some kind of magic relation to an age and talent then you need to follow your leaders and make sure, for our sake, that you don't reproduce before you go out gloriously like this lady...

Instead of showing her when she was able to be propped up, they ought to show this when talking about her death.



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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2011, 11:30:34 PM »

Both of them had ways to get help and the means to get it.  They didn't want it.


Unfortunately, that in itself is part of the disease, not wanting to get help, or being in complete denial about their problem.  It's definitely a struggle in an addicts brain where things simply do not make sense like they do to anyone watching the self destruction from the outside.


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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2011, 02:16:16 AM »
What kind of drugs was she on?!!!?
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2011, 09:55:20 AM »
What kind of drugs was she on?!!!?

It would be a shorter list if you only mentioned the drugs she wasn't on.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2011, 11:46:16 AM »
Unfortunately, that in itself is part of the disease, not wanting to get help, or being in complete denial about their problem.  It's definitely a struggle in an addicts brain where things simply do not make sense like they do to anyone watching the self destruction from the outside.


It's not necessarily a case of "not wanting to get help," or even being in denial.  Sometimes, addiction just makes the better argument in your head long enough to make you falter.  You can try to fight it and reason with it, but it knows how to push your buttons and defeat you.  Just look at how many people "quit quitting smoking."  I'd imagine many, and perhaps most, aren't in denial about their situation, but can't effectively fight it and hate themselves for it.

I just celebrated 7 months of being off nicotine after 10 years of chain smoking (up to 2 packs a day when I quit).  I finally threw the habit cold turkey, but the cruel games my mind played on me during the time were almost unbearable.  My addiction got the better of me for years and dozens of attempts at quitting before I finally broke free.  Even now it still tries to get the better of me from time to time.

Nicotine is usually regarded as a fairly tough habit to break, but even it must pale in comparison to some other drugs.  I can only imagine what a heroin or meth addict goes through, but I'd bet the psychological battle is 9/10ths of the ordeal.  Your mind keeps trying to turn you long after the physical withdrawal is over...

My heart goes out to her and her loved ones.  She is another senseless casualty in this terrible war on drugs.  I fear there will be millions more before we finally switch tactics.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »
im 5 months smoke free. Nicotine is harder to quit than heroin, nicotine is the hardest drug to quit of them all, slap on the back Vudak.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2011, 12:13:14 PM »
It's not necessarily a case of "not wanting to get help," or even being in denial.  Sometimes, addiction just makes the better argument in your head long enough to make you falter.  You can try to fight it and reason with it, but it knows how to push your buttons and defeat you.  Just look at how many people "quit quitting smoking."  I'd imagine many, and perhaps most, aren't in denial about their situation, but can't effectively fight it and hate themselves for it.

Yes Vudak, I completely agree, and I did not choose my words carefully enough.  When I said "not wanting to get help", I should have elaborated as you did, in that, the mind tricks the user into coming up with elaborate justification for using and not needing help.

I feel that friends of users need to be more aggressive with them in getting them help, because even if the user says he does not want help and refuses to help himself, it's not really him talking, but the drug that has cast a thick fog over his judgment.

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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2011, 12:38:05 PM »

I feel that friends of users need to be more aggressive with them in getting them help, because even if the user says he does not want help and refuses to help himself, it's not really him talking, but the drug that has cast a thick fog over his judgment.

The sad fact is that it is absurdly difficult to get someone help even when they declare to want it.  I will never forgive or forget the ridiculous nature of the red tape my State forced me to go through to help a friend.  Long story short, he struggled a few days to kick heroin on his own.  Because it was (understandably) extremely hard, he wanted to go to rehab to get some professional help.  They would not take him until he went to Detox.  Since he had struggled on his own for a few days, the level of the drug in his system was insufficient for detox to hate him.  Our only recourse was to take him to Hartford to buy drugs and shoot up.

The saddest part?  A few years earlier, his mother was forced to "help" him through the same process.

I do not care what anyone's position is on drugs, this right here is absolutely retarded.

And Batfink, slap right back :) Though I'm not sure about the whole nicotine/heroin thing.  I've heard that myself, but then again, I've never had a woman offer me any sexual favors to buy her a pack of smokes!  :O (Give it a few more rounds of government taxing, and that might change ;) ).
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2011, 02:17:14 PM »
I believe that is because smack is alot harder to come by without money, where as a ciggarette is easy to borrow 20 times a day if you ask enough people.

I had been a serious addict of cannabis for over ten years in my past, to the point of near physical self destruction. Not any more, I gave up once, for 6 months, started again then quit fully and am now clean for life. I also have experiences with alcoholism and other addiction in my family. So while I don't claim to be an expert I certainly am talking from the personal side of the coin and not the judgemental outside viewpoint.

There are three types of addicts in my extended philosophies on the subject.

There are those who tell themself they are addicted but then convince themself they will quit tomorrow every day and then fail for another day. Always pushing the limits of their mental and physical endurance because they know that one day they plan to give up and lose the dependancy. This is a dangerous game because often this type of addict will push too far and one of two things will happen. One, they get so sick that they scare themself into instant cold turkey. Two, they get so sick that they sadly cannot handle it and they close their eyes and give up. This type of addict is usualy too smart to be an addict but too addictive in personality to give up before things become really desperate. It doesn't really matter what toxin they become addicted to because it is mostly a habit or routine addiction, a lifestyle for them, it defines who they are and often they don't see it as a negative characteristic untill it's almost too late.

There are the addicts who cannot stand their life so much that they intoxicate into early death. Psychological trauma or long term physical pain can be the kind of catalysts that set the downward spiral in motion. They are also often the kind of addicts who know they have a problem but they do not even pretend to want to reform. They are on the downward slope and will find it much harder to get off without forced abtinence or exceptional will power.

There are thirdly the addicts who refuse to belive they are addics. They are surprisingly the least affected physicaly because they refuse to accept the damage they are doing to their body. The placebo makes a huge difference. They are addicted in a totaly physcial sense, usualy to the more addictive substances; worst of all alcohol or prescription/over the counter drugs. The reason these are the worst is because socialy they carry the least negative energy. Everybody drinks, right? Everyone takes sleeping pills sometimes, right? This type of addict is the most healthy but potentialy the most dangerous to themself and others due to the pure ignorance of what they are poisoning themself with daily.

There are obviously other types of addicts, adrenalin for one obvious example, excersise for another. But I believe in basic format we can break down substance addicts into one or more of those three catagories the majority of the time. Amy Winehouse was the second type. she was very unhappy and she commited suicide without really accepting that she was doing it.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found dead
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2011, 02:45:51 PM »
Unfortunately, that in itself is part of the disease, not wanting to get help, or being in complete denial about their problem.  It's definitely a struggle in an addicts brain where things simply do not make sense like they do to anyone watching the self destruction from the outside.
:aok The more intelligent a person is, often the harder it is for them to quit. This is mainly because they spend most of their mental energy rationalizing their behavior and building mental walls to reinforce their denial of addiction. To compound the problem, when a person becomes chemically addicted (as supposed to psychologically addicted), their brain chemistry is altered to a point where their bodies do not mfg the hormone that the drug simulates, thus making the person dependent on it for chemical mental stability.

Its easy to say stop, much harder to accomplish (esp if a chemical dependency develops).
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