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Offline swareiam

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We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« on: July 24, 2011, 02:52:57 PM »

Many of you have voiced an opinion on the need for an AXIS transport. There has been obvious hesitation on the JU-52, the work horse of the Luftwaffe. So, how about the introduction of a very qualified competitor in this area. I place the first vote for the Arado AR 232. It was a mid years war design that literally soldiered to the last airframe. I believe the AR 232 could be the Luftwaffe transport we are looking for. It had a colorful and war wary service life. Do a bit of research on your own and give your opinion here.

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Specifications (Ar 232B)

General characteristics

Served with the Luftwaffe from 1942 until 1945

Crew: 4
Length: 23.52 m (77 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 33.50 m (109 ft 10? in)
Height: 5.69 m (18 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 142.60 m? (1,535 ft?)
Empty weight: 12,780 kg (28,175 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 21,150 kg (46,628 lb)
Powerplant: 4 ? BMW Bramo 323 R-2 Fafnir 9-cylinder radial engine, 895 kW (1,200 hp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 308 km/h at 4,000 m (191 mph at 13,123 ft)
Cruise speed: 290 km/h at 2,000 m (180 mph at 6,561 ft)
Range: 1,062 km (660 mi)
Service ceiling: 6,900 m (22,640 ft)

Armament

1 ? 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine gun mounted in the nose
1 ? 20 mm MG 151 cannon mounted in an EDL 151 dorsal turret
1-2 ? 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine gun mounted in the rear position
and 8 ? 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 34 machine guns mounted in side windows when transporting infantry



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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 03:05:13 PM »
I'd like to shoot one down.  :aok
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 03:22:22 PM »
Quote from: swareiam on July 24, 2011, 02:52:57 PM
Many of you have voiced an opinion on the need for an AXIS transport. There has been obvious hesitation on the JU-52, the work horse of the Luftwaffe. So, how about the introduction of a very qualified competitor in this area. I place the first vote for the Arado AR 232. It was a mid years war design that literally soldiered to the last airframe. I believe the AR 232 could be the Luftwaffe transport we are looking for. It had a colorful and war wary service life. Do a bit of research on your own and give your opinion here.

Cheers...


Hmmm...how much research went into this beyond Wiki?

The were less than 20 AR 232's built and those were pre-production aircraft and the most of those produced were retained by Arado and used to ferry parts between factories.  Those few that did make it to operational service with the Luftwaffe saw very limited use.

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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 03:32:11 PM »
The L2D 'Tabby' isn't good enough for you? Or does "AXIS" really mean "German"?
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 03:59:46 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on July 24, 2011, 03:22:22 PM
Hmmm...how much research went into this beyond Wiki?

The were less than 20 AR 232's built and those were pre-production aircraft and the most of those produced were retained by Arado and used to ferry parts between factories.  Those few that did make it to operational service with the Luftwaffe saw very limited use.

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Well as far as research goes... There was a fairly good reason why it saw limited use. It initially shared the same BMW 801 as the FW190 which the latter was a top RLM production priority at the time. Yet, the need still existed for another transport. So, provisions were made for another engine. Historically, just prior to the surrender of Field Marshall Paulus in Stalingrad January 1943. The AR 232 was the last transport to leave the city of Stalingrad prior to its capture by the Soviets. Thereby showing some promise towards its greater usage, because the need was certainly there.

Besides, that is history which no one can change. Maybe they would have reconsidered building more had the high command thought and prioritized a little differently. Maybe HT would need to consider other factors in this case. Other than numbers built, widespread usage and general popuality.

Whether a little research or a lot of research, there is an opportunity to get an AXIS transport, that had it had significatly better numbers, would have been a history maker...

JU52 or AR232 ???

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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2011, 04:04:29 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on July 24, 2011, 03:32:11 PM
The L2D 'Tabby' isn't good enough for you? Or does "AXIS" really mean "German"?

I thought reproductions of Allied aircraft didn't count.  :headscratch:  :D
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 04:06:47 PM »
Quote from: swareiam on July 24, 2011, 04:04:29 PM
I thought reproductions of Allied aircraft didn't count.  :headscratch:  :D
Why wouldn't it count?  It was a license built aircraft and several hundred were made.

What don't count are captured aircraft.  Note that we have a Japanese skin for it in AH.
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 04:23:55 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on July 24, 2011, 04:06:47 PM
Why wouldn't it count?  It was a license built aircraft and several hundred were made.

What don't count are captured aircraft.  Note that we have a Japanese skin for it in AH.

I see your point, I suppose that is why we do not have an unlicense built, uncaptured, and highly active/used AXIS transport.

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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 05:07:22 PM »
How much would a Ju52 add to the game though?  Sure, I'd like it to be in, but I just can't see it being a high priority.
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2011, 07:48:37 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on July 24, 2011, 05:07:22 PM
How much would a Ju52 add to the game though?  Sure, I'd like it to be in, but I just can't see it being a high priority.

Ju52 had a gun, and the Ju52-3 had three engines. I'd sure as hell fly a 3-engined, armed transport over a two-engined non-armed transport (goon)
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2011, 08:01:49 PM »
Quote from: Raptor05121 on July 24, 2011, 07:48:37 PM
Ju52 had a gun, and the Ju52-3 had three engines. I'd sure as hell fly a 3-engined, armed transport over a two-engined non-armed transport (goon)
Even though you are going 50-60mph slower than the two engined transport?

I'd certainly rather my opposition was using Ju52s than C-47s.  They come in much slower and the popgun, well, you may as well be unarmed.
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 10:18:05 PM »
How do the axis in the "axis vs allies" arena drop troops and supplies as it is now?
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2011, 10:45:37 PM »
Quote from: icepac on July 24, 2011, 10:18:05 PM
How do the axis in the "axis vs allies" arena drop troops and supplies as it is now?
Depending on the setup, either they don't or they use the C-47.  If the Ju52 were added they'd use that in some settings for the Axis, in others the C-47 would get used for both sides.  It is a minor component of the AvA.  As I said, not a bad thing to get added, but a low priority thing really.
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2011, 09:50:27 AM »
What the hell is that freaky plane?
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Re: We need an AXIS Transport... JU-52 or AR-232
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2011, 09:52:24 AM »
Quote from: 1Nicolas on July 29, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
What the hell is that freaky plane?
its a target.
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