First On Race Day

[MaSonZ]

is F1 good enough for ya?

1994

    * Ford introduces the Zetec R V8 Formula One engine. Michael Schumacher drives a Benetton-Ford to F1 World Championship, Ford’s first since 1982. Schumacher’s eight wins push Ford’s all-time F1 victory total to 174, higher than any other engine manufacturer in the history of F1 racing.
    * Ford wins its 11th NASCAR Manufacturers’ Championship.

F1 is all i watch..but i havent seen a damn race in the past year and a half  didnt know Ford made engines for F1.

[MiloMorai]

NASCAR still uses "whacking big girder with tires on the ends".

I guess your are not old enough Cap to remember the aluminium GM engine that powered F1 cars?

[Skuzzy]

Pride for 4(?) years of GT40  triumph out of over 100 years of racing, you gotta be kidding me. You do know that Senna died in 1994 right?  BTW it was  Cosworth but badged as a Ford.

From 1998 to 2004, Ford owned Cosworth.  Beyond that, Ford and Cosworth have shared a long history of co-engineering engines for anything that went into the Ford racing programs.  

Back when Ford was winning Indy every year (before they dropped out of it), the engines were designed by the Ford racing team, but built at Cosworth, as Cosworth had better facilities for manufacturing to the tolerances needed in those engines.

Just FYI.

[CAP1]

F1 is all i watch..but i havent seen a damn race in the past year and a half  didnt know Ford made engines for F1.

 neither did i till i read that page that i linked. i really thought they didn't do anything at all in F1.

[CAP1]

NASCAR still uses "whacking big girder with tires on the ends".

I guess your are not old enough Cap to remember the aluminium GM engine that powered F1 cars?

 would that be the oldsmobile engine, which i think was something like the northstar engine?

[CAP1]

From 1998 to 2004, Ford owned Cosworth.  Beyond that, Ford and Cosworth have shared a long history of co-engineering engines for anything that went into the Ford racing programs.  

Back when Ford was winning Indy every year (before they dropped out of it), the engines were designed by the Ford racing team, but built at Cosworth, as Cosworth had better facilities for manufacturing to the tolerances needed in those engines.

Just FYI.

 this i didn't realize either. funny how when one looks deeper into it, that this racing history seems to come up, eh?

[MaSonZ]

neither did i till i read that page that i linked. i really thought they didn't do anything at all in F1.

makes two, honestly, how do you think Ford would go about in F1 if they enetered, after a few years to get in the grove of things?

[CAP1]

makes two, honestly, how do you think Ford would go about in F1 if they enetered, after a few years to get in the grove of things?

 honestly? judging by the past......they'll kick ass. it seems to me that when ford puts their mind to it, they take what they want, as far as winning races goes.

 also......was it you asking about dodge running in the continental tire challenge? i had found a youtube video of them running at daytona earlier this year, although i've not seen them lately. i wonder if they're private teams, and just don't have the funding to run every race.......

[MaSonZ]

honestly? judging by the past......they'll kick ass. it seems to me that when ford puts their mind to it, they take what they want, as far as winning races goes.

theres a lot to put into one of those cars, it would be a while anda drain of funds before they started making back what they won.

 also......was it you asking about dodge running in the continental tire challenge? i had found a youtube video of them running at daytona earlier this year, although i've not seen them lately. i wonder if they're private teams, and just don't have the funding to run every race.......

it was me indeed. post the links.

[Grayeagle]

Well .. the Vette's demoralized the GT-1 class so much that the Ferrari's and Aston Martin's refused to come play anymore.
It wasn't a 'race' at that point.

So they switched to GT-2, puttin smaller motors in their vettes ..and now it's 'a race' again without any sure bets.
At least until they get the new combination sorted out.

We all know why the Camaro isn't doin as well against the Mustang ..it's more than a bit heavier.
A lighter smaller car with equal horsepower will smoke the bigger heavier one every time.. drivers being relatively equal.

As for the IRS .. I know you know this but I will say it anyway.
It doesn't bump steer the back end over a rough spot like the 'girder' will and it keeps the tire aligned with the road vertically-horizontally under compression-extension if it's setup right. The trade off is more moving parts = more friction = more hp loss.

They don't use the 'girder' in F1 because that class winner is determined by how fast he can go on a road course with a limited amount of horsepower. Apparantly they can go faster with an IRS than with a girder despite the inherent horsepower loss.

I hate weight limited classes because the ruling body can 'adjust' the bias so literally anyone can win if they whine enough to the rule makers.
Classic example: the Hemi in Pro Stock NHRA ..ruled out of existence instead of competition stepping up their game.
Gimme a class where the fastest guy wins .. period.
Like Top Fuel (granted, .. they have a *minimum* weight ..you can build a heavier car if you want to

-Frank (just sayin)

[MiloMorai]

would that be the oldsmobile engine, which i think was something like the northstar engine?

Yes built by Repco in Ozland.

[CAP1]

theres a lot to put into one of those cars, it would be a while anda drain of funds before they started making back what they won.
it was me indeed. post the links.

 true racers don't look to make back what they put into their cars. i dumped thousands into my mustang.......and maybe won hundreds....it didn't matter though. i had the fun, the rush, and the win lights.
 
 i'll post the youtube video tonight, when i get home.

[CAP1]

Well .. the Vette's demoralized the GT-1 class so much that the Ferrari's and Aston Martin's refused to come play anymore.
It wasn't a 'race' at that point.

So they switched to GT-2, puttin smaller motors in their vettes ..and now it's 'a race' again without any sure bets.
At least until they get the new combination sorted out.

We all know why the Camaro isn't doin as well against the Mustang ..it's more than a bit heavier.
A lighter smaller car with equal horsepower will smoke the bigger heavier one every time.. drivers being relatively equal.i thought i had heard someone say that the camaro was a little lighter. either way, it's got a higher hp rating than the mustang......so it's not so much the weight, as it is the power to weight ratio. also, don't forget.....the bmw, is approx. the same weight, and same hp rating as the stang......and they cannot hold the stangs off. 

As for the IRS .. I know you know this but I will say it anyway.
It doesn't bump steer the back end over a rough spot like the 'girder' will and it keeps the tire aligned with the road vertically-horizontally under compression-extension if it's setup right. The trade off is more moving parts = more friction = more hp loss.you're right. i wanted to see if "you know who" could explain it. that friction loss is probably a bit of what's costing the camaro in these races. it would be interesting if they could put one out there, with nothing changed, 'cept that rear, and see how it compares.

They don't use the 'girder' in F1 because that class winner is determined by how fast he can go on a road course with a limited amount of horsepower. Apparantly they can go faster with an IRS than with a girder despite the inherent horsepower loss.

I hate weight limited classes because the ruling body can 'adjust' the bias so literally anyone can win if they whine enough to the rule makers.
Classic example: the Hemi in Pro Stock NHRA ..ruled out of existence instead of competition stepping up their game.
Gimme a class where the fastest guy wins .. period.
Like Top Fuel (granted, .. they have a *minimum* weight ..you can build a heavier car if you want to that rule whining, is in my opinion, what ruined stock car racing.

-Frank (just sayin)

 know what i wish? remember when you sold your last vette? i mentioned it to a couple people, and they told me i shoulda jumped on it. i REALLY wish i'd have listened to them, and not hesitated......
 like i said, i don't dislike chevys.......i just like fords better. and that vette was friggin BEAUTIFUL.

[CAP1]

Yes built by Repco in Ozland.

 repco...for some reason, that name is ringing a bell..........but yea...then i am somewhat familiar with it. i know i don't like the northstar engines though.
 i think i saw one of those olds engines back when the IRL series came to dover for the first time. i went to that race, and watched 22(i think) cars start....something like 8 or 9 finished.

[KgB]

you really wanna take any bets on that? there is plenty of air in there....you tried to claim there was no air in the tank. this is wrong. and if there's air in a half full tank, there's plenty to let fumes ignite.

 and for the solid rear axle......well....it's working rather nicely, i'd say....wouldn't you?

You still claim that there is plenty of air, cars should be blowing up left and right then. You do know that electric motors ark, right?
And again, i wouldn't. Solid rear axle likes smooth and even surface only. What kind of BMW's are there anyway?