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Offline Threeup

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The Inequity of it all
« on: July 27, 2011, 11:37:10 PM »
At the risk of banging a much worn out drum, here goes.

This is a great game. I find more now for the people you fight with and against rather than the score, K/D, hit percentage or kills landed. You catch up with people and have a laugh. You fight sometimes the same people and know after about two or three turns their style and if you are in for a whooping or not and how humiliating that whopping is going to be. Then you can either have a mutual <S> or a barrage of abuse over 200 that ends in a mutual <S> - or at the most a grudging respect. It’s all good times except........

I just can’t get next to why F3 is allowed in the DA, for the life of me. I haunt the DA probably as much as the MA for the most part. No crime in that. It’s my $15.00 ($14.08 my money today by the way) and if I want to fly a Spit XVI in the DA (or the MA for that matter) and you don’t like it - well - you don't like it - end of story. There are some good people in the DA. Great place for merging and gunnery practice... and a laugh.

But there seems to be a group of people that refuse to fly in the MA and some are quite honest about using outside view exclusively. Not only that they are very quick to talk their game up based on that. The game is never a level playing field – alt energy - plane differences – skill differences – attitude make that so. It’s not “New Sports Day” where everyone gets a prize.

But at least one glaring inconsistency can be removed to at least get to a point where it is worthwhile and can really hone your game.

As I said, it’s been raised before and it probably will again. I don’t want to change the world, just a small portion of it.

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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 11:46:33 PM »
I agree that F3 should be eliminated in the DA.  I don't get why it's even available there.
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 11:51:59 PM »
if I want to fly a Spit XVI in the DA (or the MA for that matter) and you don’t like it - well - you don't like it - end of story.

well people that use f3 in the DA do so because they want to... you don't have to use it is the same principle, the DA is a place for furballing, practicing and.. well dueling! beeing f3 allowed overthere won't mean you will have to use it... i don't use it but i know its there and i know people use it. I guess the DA has the F3 for new users and such like practicing, getting used to the game etc.

Sum: the f3 is there, there are people that use it already, you don't have to use it. (if you want a fair duel ask for the film :D )

I just wish DA had an area like tank town island: furballing, tanking, air support... (not beeing bombers available :D)
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 12:03:09 AM »
Tell you what threeup,

Get rid of the spit16, and we have a deal on getting rid of f3  :aok

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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 12:27:07 AM »
Without being completely obvious, the Spit XVI is a plane within the plane set within the game and, ENY and World War 2 eras aside, is available in both the MA and DA. If it was not authentic it wouldn’t be in the game, would it? If HTC destroyed the file for the Spit XVI, I would fly a Spit VIII and if that was destroyed a Spit IX and so on. But I don’t believe that will happen. If it does life will go on.

And trying to divert the discussion onto something else isn’t really achieving much. If you want to get into a slanging match, look elsewhere.

I bought up a difference in the mode of available vision between probably the two most frequented arenas in this game and asked aloud why it was so and what purpose it served by having outside view enabled in the DA and expressed an opinion. That’s it.

If it’s for training or familiarity purposes isn’t it just delaying the day when you have to look through a cartoon birdcage and fire “over the nose” hoping that your judgement is correct? It’s not like the stall limiter where it assists you to a point where you have to “take off the training wheels” to be competitive.

Having outside view enabled in the DA is, in my opinion, redundant. That’s my view. It doesn’t mean I’m going to quit going to the DA or the game or anything really. I merely wanted to gauge opinion.
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 12:30:49 AM »
i'm sure with the new custom maps there will be some regular arenas that become a haven for people who want to dogfight fairly.

The scrubs in the lake can play with themselves.
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 12:46:00 AM »
Without being completely obvious, the Spit XVI is a plane within the plane set within the game and, ENY and World War 2 eras aside, is available in both the MA and DA. If it was not authentic it wouldn’t be in the game, would it? If HTC destroyed the file for the Spit XVI, I would fly a Spit VIII and if that was destroyed a Spit IX and so on. But I don’t believe that will happen. If it does life will go on.
The ME262 is a jet within the World War 2 era plane set that i believe saw more action than the spit16. It is NOT in the DA because it is commonly stated that if it was put in the DA then the lake would become nothing more than a jet-filled furball.
If you were to take a tally of the most flown aircraft in the DA, i'd bet a couple perkies that you'd come up with the spit16 by a HUGE margin.We've both seen how bad that place becomes a spit16 horde.
The lake in the most part is nothing but spit16 territory.
So, in all technicality, the spit16 should be banned along the same lines that the ME262 is banned.



And trying to divert the discussion onto something else isn’t really achieving much. If you want to get into a slanging match, look elsewhere.
Not really, Your asking to take away something i like, so im asking You to take away something you like as well.
I'll admit it, i like f3 mode sometimes. i use it whenever i feel like flying a plane who's cocpit i absolutely hate. (p47D11,p40B,ki-84)
Whenever i get out of a furball, i'll put her on autopilot then go into F3 mode to take a quick look at the aircraft to make sure i dont have any gaping holes in important places.
and sometimes i just cruise along in f3 mode to admire the plane (which i do alot in the G-2) People worry too much about making this game more competitive and less fun. No one forces YOU to fly in f3 mode, so if you don't like it then simply fly in the cockpit.

But like i said, Your asking to get rid of something i like (F3 mode).
so im asking to get rid of something you like (spit16).

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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 12:49:46 AM »
so it stays clear. im not trolling and not against spit16, im just saying that some people use the f3 sigth in the duel arena, well its ok, if you don't like that just go to the MAs or to some custom arenas
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 12:59:43 AM »
The ME262 is a jet within the World War 2 era plane set that i believe saw more action than the spit16.



 Wow where did you come up with that one? You realize the RV16 is just a spit IX with a E type wing and a 266 motor as opposed to the IXe with a 66 motor.

   I'm sure there's a bunch of RCAF pilots rolling in their graves after hearing that one.



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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 01:03:56 AM »
Not really, Your asking to take away something i like, so im asking You to take away something you like as well.
I'll admit it, i like f3 mode sometimes. i use it whenever i feel like flying a plane who's cocpit i absolutely hate. (p47D11,p40B,ki-84)
Whenever i get out of a furball, i'll put her on autopilot then go into F3 mode to take a quick look at the aircraft to make sure i dont have any gaping holes in important places.
and sometimes i just cruise along in f3 mode to admire the plane (which i do alot in the G-2) People worry too much about making this game more competitive and less fun. No one forces YOU to fly in f3 mode, so if you don't like it then simply fly in the cockpit.

But like i said, Your asking to get rid of something i like (F3 mode).
so im asking to get rid of something you like (spit16).

maybe you should play HAWX for the 360 then...
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2011, 01:13:48 AM »
oh snap
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2011, 01:54:16 AM »
I don't use padlock, but i know some people do.  :)
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2011, 02:13:06 AM »


 Wow where did you come up with that one? You realize the RV16 is just a spit IX with a E type wing and a 266 motor as opposed to the IXe with a 66 motor.

   I'm sure there's a bunch of RCAF pilots rolling in their graves after hearing that one.



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i have done little to no research on the spit 16 in the war.


I just remember a time when alot of people were saying on the forums that the spit16 didn't deserve to be in the game because it supposedly didn't get any AvA kills because it arrived too late in the war to do so.
Me262's scored multiple confirmed kills.
from Wikipedia (its 3:01, im too tired to do hardcore research at this hour) The ME262 had 509 confirmed allied kills.
After a quick search of "spitfire XVI kills of world war 2" i have found no evidence that the XVI variant ever scored an AvA kill. (but its most likely due to me being too tired to search thourghly )

So unless the XVI has more than 509 confirmed kills, than the ME262 has seen more combat than it.

So far the only thing ive been able to find the XVI was used for was ground attack http://www.aviationmuseum.com.au/aircraft/spitfiremkxvi.cfm
But i dont know how credible that website is, since that type of spitfire does not look like an XVI, even tho they call it one.


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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2011, 02:21:23 AM »
<Smacks Tyrannis>  Enough with the Spit 16 rants.  It's the same exact bird ans the Spit LFIXe.  Only difference being the engine is American made Packard Merlin 266 vs a Rolls Royce made Merlin 66.  Switch the engines of a 9 to a 16 and it becomes a 9. Switch the 16 engine to a 9 and it becomes a 16.  We've discussed the kills they got over and over again.  As most were flying with 2 TAF they were supporting the ground troops.  And frankly the opposition in the air just wasn't there.  but they had many kills and many squadrons flew them.

As you clearly know little about the 16, it's best to step back a bit and learn first before you make foolish statements regarding the Spitfire XVI.

If you are serious about learning, then I suggest you research 602 Squadron RAF and what they did with their 16s.  And I'd research 403 Squadron RCAF to see what they did with thier 16s.  That's just a starting point for you.

If that's too much work, then quit worrying about them and shoot em down.
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Re: The Inequity of it all
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2011, 02:57:08 AM »
  Thx Guppy,


  I was too lazy to look up any references but I should have said 403rd.  Although I'm sure those that want to learn would have taken a clue from my RCAF reference.


  One story about a certain plane and all of a sudden people start staing facts that arent true.   I agree with ya Guppy,just shoot them down,hmmmm maybe use a brewster....... :devil



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