The Inequity of it all

[coombz]

it still doesn't change the fact i originally presented, the spit16 should be banned from the DA.

for reference, this is the 'fact' originally presented to prove the spit16 should be banned from the DA  
 

The ME262...is NOT in the DA because it is commonly stated that if it was put in the DA then the lake would become nothing more than a jet-filled furball.
If you were to take a tally of the most flown aircraft in the DA, i'd bet a couple perkies that you'd come up with the spit16 by a HUGE margin.We've both seen how bad that place becomes a spit16 horde.
The lake in the most part is nothing but spit16 territory.
So, in all technicality, the spit16 should be banned along the same lines that the ME262 is banned.

a watertight argument if i ever saw one

[doc1kelley]

Just so I'm understanding this correctly, you're saying that you made a statement off the top of your head w/out the research or facts at your disposal.  Then someone comes along who has done as much if not more Spitfire research than just about anyone here, you challenge his command of the facts then say you can't be bothered to actually sit down and see who's right?

Yawns... Haven't we been through this a bunch with other threads with this guy?  Soulyss, It's a lost cause trying to reason with this one with facts!

All the Best...

    Jay

[Slate]

  I went to the DA once and this is all I saw...................

[des506]

i went to WW1 and this is what i saw

[Shuffler]

The DA is just another training arena. Let them have whatever they want to try to learn in.

[Scca]

I simply do not care who's right and who's wrong because whether im right or he's right it still doesn't change the fact i originally presented, the spit16 should be banned from the DA.

No...

Why should the DA be any different than the MA where spit16's are all over?

Additionally, if your 51 is getting ganged, you are not flying it like you should be against the Spit, change your tactics.  I would also say that a gang of Hurri I's would kill you too, is that a reason to ban them?

YMMV

[Tyrannis]

No...

Why should the DA be any different than the MA where spit16's are all over?

Additionally, if your 51 is getting ganged, you are not flying it like you should be against the Spit, change your tactics.  I would also say that a gang of Hurri I's would kill you too, is that a reason to ban them?

YMMV

the differences between the MA and DA are noticeable enough to where i don't need to point them out.

And please inform me what is the proper tactic to fighting a gang of spit16s that have a 5k alt advantage on you? this is usually what it becomes.

no, hurr1's lack the speed to keep up with most late war rides. that is not a proper simile.

[Dead Man Flying]

And please inform me what is the proper tactic to fighting a gang of spit16s that have a 5k alt advantage on you? this is usually what it becomes.

Kill them all was generally the tactic I preferred.  Your tactics may vary.

[Delirium]

Tyrannis, you're forgetting that many will go for the path of least resistance. If the Spit16 is removed, they will fly the next similar plane or something faster which needs 25miles to turn around (ie 190s). Would you rather have a 'gang of C-Hogs or Tempests with 5k advantage on you'?

Be happy, at least the Spit16s will fight.

[Guppy35]

Kill them all was generally the tactic I preferred.  Your tactics may vary.

But but but that might take some time, energy, learning and practice!   I want them gone right now!


So here's the secret Tyrannis, since it appears you are a 51 driver.  Climb higher, keep your speed up, and BnZ em to death.  Since Furball lake is a free for all, seems to me taking away a turn fighting bird like the Spit XVI would be counter to what Furball lake is all about.

[Scca]

And please inform me what is the proper tactic to fighting a gang of spit16s that have a 5k alt advantage on you? this is usually what it becomes.

Climb 5K higher than them (duh).

no, hurr1's lack the speed to keep up with most late war rides. that is not a proper simile.

Yes... Not recently, but I have plenty of kills in a Hurri I, against late war rides too...  It use to be one of my favorite base defense planes...  It's SO funny to watch a Spit XVI try to TNB me...  (here, have some .303's, lots of them) 

[Tyrannis]

Kill them all was generally the tactic I preferred.  Your tactics may vary.

1 plane vs 10 spit16s is an almost-unwinniable situation. get on 1 of there 6's, you get 5 more on yours.

Tyrannis, you're forgetting that many will go for the path of least resistance. If the Spit16 is removed, they will fly the next similar plane or something faster which needs 25miles to turn around (ie 190s). Would you rather have a 'gang of C-Hogs or Tempests with 5k advantage on you'?

Be happy, at least the Spit16s will fight.

The 190 has one glaring weakness tho (its turn radius). The C-hogs as well.
If the spit16 was removed, the next plane i see to be horded would most likely be the tempest. But all temp pilots do is HO&run, even tho thats annoying, it is easily solvable by simply dodging the HO.
The spit16 can outturn almost anything flown, climb with almost everything flown, and can outrun almost everything flown.
but still, my main point stand. the ME262 was banned because of its dreaded popularity. the spit16 has the lake popularity by a LARGE margin. so ether ban the spit16 like the 262 is, or give us the 262.

But but but that might take some time, energy, learning and practice!   I want them gone right now!


So here's the secret Tyrannis, since it appears you are a 51 driver.  Climb higher, keep your speed up, and BnZ em to death.  Since Furball lake is a free for all, seems to me taking away a turn fighting bird like the Spit XVI would be counter to what Furball lake is all about.

No guppy, i was just using the pony as an example plane. but anyways,

So, your tactic to counter the alt-monkey spit16 dweebs, would be for me to become an alt-monkey myself? and adopt the tactics of tempy pilots by climbing high & doing nothing but BnZ'ing?
If everyone did that, then the spit16 pilots would just climb higher, then the non-spit dweebs would attempt to climb higher than them. until the lake is nothing but a mess in the clouds.
like i said before Guppy, how much do YOU fly in there? i dont remember ever seeing you in there. so are YOU really the best person to give advice on how to fight in an arena you never seem to fly in? 

[Vudu15]

I simply do not care who's right and who's wrong because whether I'm right or he's right it still doesn't change the fact i originally presented, the spit16 should be banned from the DA.

Or you should learn to fight outside your comfort zone.....or get out of the game, since i guess you cant hack it in there.

Had to edit after I saw your bit about turn radius. The chog will turn and well when handled correctly, and from your lack of knowledge in several key a/c in this game its no surprise your shot down as much as you are.
You need to change a/c and tactics in a/c you think you know cause its not workin real well for you.

[Guppy35]

I spend my time flying down low in a P38G hoping to get folks to come down.  I like fighting Spits including 16s.  I don't see the problem.  

You seem frustrated that you are being ganged by higher Spit 16s.  Well your options are simple.  Get above them, or accept the fact that by flying lower you are going to get jumped and have at it.  I was told loud and clear in the DA at Furball Lake that anything goes.  If you want a 1 v 1 use one of the other fields.  

In the end you have a choice in this.  You change the way you fly, you change where you fly, or you don't fly.   What you continue to look for is someone else to solve your problem.  So while you demand others change to fit your style, you show no willingness to take action on your own.  

HTC is supposed to change the game, remove a favorite plane because you don't like how guys flying it treat you?

I understand that by flying a P38G down low against higher birds, the odds of my 'living' are slim.  But the fights sure are fun!

[Tyrannis]

I spend my time flying down low in a P38G hoping to get folks to come down.  I like fighting Spits including 16s.  I don't see the problem.  

You seem frustrated that you are being ganged by higher Spit 16s.  Well your options are simple.  Get above them, or accept the fact that by flying lower you are going to get jumped and have at it.  I was told loud and clear in the DA at Furball Lake that anything goes.  If you want a 1 v 1 use one of the other fields.  

In the end you have a choice in this.  You change the way you fly, you change where you fly, or you don't fly.   What you continue to look for is someone else to solve your problem.  So while you demand others change to fit your style, you show no willingness to take action on your own.  

HTC is supposed to change the game, remove a favorite plane because you don't like how guys flying it treat you?

I understand that by flying a P38G down low against higher birds, the odds of my 'living' are slim.  But the fights sure are fun!

No, When the lake tends to become nothing more than a cloud of 1 plane, then there is a problem.I am not the only one in the lake that shares this view.

But still, as ive been saying. the ME262 was banned because it would become too popular in the lake. the spit16 is VERY popular in the lake.
So ether ban the spit16, for the same reasons the me262 is banned, or give us the me262, because that whole "too popular" doesn't seem to matter to every aircraft.


and Vudu... maybe you should learn to fight the ME262 in the DA outside your comfort zone...so unban the me262, or get out of the game, if you "Cant hack it".