The Inequity of it all

[Fud]

I fly F3 when I fight 3up...thats how I get most of his kills lmao <S> 3up  
fudmukkr.

I fly F3 when I'm cruising to the FB to look around and maybe a few screen shots on the way..I fly F1 when fighting..can't see where the pipper is when in F3 mode...

[The Fugitive]

You guys are missing the point here. Tyrannis is just throwing a temper tantrum because some one suggested that F3 be removed from the DA. I think he said if I can't have my F3 then you can't have the spit16.

He's just stomping his feet because some body might miss with the only way he can fly. Your building one heck of a reputation around here Tyrannis!  LOL

[Wiley]

Pfft... 'on topic' is no fun, Fugi.

As to the F3 thing, other than for bombers I really don't understand why it's even in the game.  It adds nothing to the game other than the ability to gun from ridiculous angles, and see aircraft from impossible angles.  While it's somewhat of an advantage, is it possible that its impact on the game might be a tad overblown, kind of like spiez?

Wiley.

[Tyrannis]

You guys are missing the point here. Tyrannis is just throwing a temper tantrum because some one suggested that F3 be removed from the DA. I think he said if I can't have my F3 then you can't have the spit16.

He's just stomping his feet because some body might miss with the only way he can fly. Your building one heck of a reputation around here Tyrannis!  LOL

Aw fugitive, i wish i had enough time to sit around on my backside all day and do nothing but fly a cartoon plane around.
maybe then i'd have an ego as big as yours!  

[100Coogn]

Make a compromise. 
Leave F3 enabled in the DA.
Disable weapons when in F3 mode.

Coogan 

[dedalos]

Aw fugitive, i wish i had enough time to sit around on my backside all day and do nothing but fly a cartoon plane around.
maybe then i'd have an ego as big as yours!  

Watch it    I see cartoons in your future 

[Black Jack]

See Rule #6

[TonyJoey]

Aw fugitive, i wish i had enough time to sit around on my backside all day and do nothing but fly a cartoon plane around.
maybe then i'd have an ego as big as yours!  

To me, Fugi just summed up the situation very well.  

As for the Spit16, I really enjoy flying the 9 and 16. They are pure dogfighters and are a joy to fly down low and slow. Tyrannis, please stop complaining about them because some do like flying them. My main ride is the 51 and I've fought down low and slow in it many times. I'll admit it's nice to get the kill in that situation, but in all honesty, the Spits are so much smoother and are so much more fit for the down low angles fight. The scope of a P51 angles fight is relatively limited as compared to a Spit16, and that's why I do like to fly it once in a while.

[Scca]

Let's break this down

1 plane vs 10 spit16s is an almost-unwinniable situation.

Nope, not if you are higher and faster?

get on 1 of there 6's, you get 5 more on yours.

You need better SA then.

The 190 has one glaring weakness tho (its turn radius). The C-hogs as well.

My hog will out turn your blessed 51 at all but the highest speeds.  Wanna DA? In case not, look here http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=p51d&p2=f4u1c

The spit16 can outturn almost anything flown, climb with almost everything flown, and can outrun almost everything flown.

Nope, several turn better (Spit V, brewster, zeke), climb at least as well (Most 109's), and several can outrun a 16 depending on initial E state (any Hog, and your 51, plus more).

but still, my main point stand. the ME262 was banned because of its dreaded popularity.

No again, it was banned because it causes an imbalance in the arena.

the spit16 has the lake popularity by a LARGE margin.

And they are frequently easy kills, IF you use correct tactics.

So, your tactic to counter the alt-monkey spit16 dweebs, would be for me to become an alt-monkey myself?

Uh, yup.  You do want to win right?  It's dumb to try to turn fight a zeke in a 190 right, I see no difference  If you can't beat them, join them.

If everyone did that, then the spit16 pilots would just climb higher, then the non-spit dweebs would attempt to climb higher than them. until the lake is nothing but a mess in the clouds.

Which would (A) work to your advantage as a dweeb 51 pilot and (B) so?

Now grab a tissue, wipe your nose, and learn how to fly and fight...

[Nr_RaVeN]

F3 is right up there with using icons and spit 16's...

[TonyJoey]

Scca, I see what you're getting at, but I think you exaggerated just a tad.  

10v1 are ,imo ,almost an unwinnable situation unless flying something with excessive speed. And also, no amount of SA will keep people in a 6v1 from getting on your 6 at some point.

[Scca]

Scca, I see what you're getting at, but I think you exaggerated just a tad.  

10v1 are ,imo ,almost an unwinnable situation unless flying something with excessive speed. And also, no amount of SA will keep people in a 6v1 from getting on your 6 at some point.

Maybe a little bit, but you know as well as I, there are a few in the MA who avoid contact like the plague.  They usually fly 51's and only engage on their terms (from an advantage always) and run like a girl when anything even close to equal  or greater E is within icon range.

You have only two choices when outnumbered and are equal E, engage and get a few before they get you, or run... 

Of course there is a third option, make a friend and even the odds a bit...

[Tyrannis]

Nope, not if you are higher and faster?

Yes because its SO EASY to judge the altitude and speed of enemy planes flying clear across the other side of the lake  

You need better SA then.

Yes because having 5 of best turning planes in the game on your 6 is just so easy to deal with, right?  

My hog will out turn your blessed 51 at all but the highest speeds.  Wanna DA? In case not, look here http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=p51d&p2=f4u1c

The Hog still has disadvantages against other planes that would prevent it from being horded for its OP'edness the way the spitXVI is, the p51 is NOT the only plane flown in there. therefore everything in this quote is invalid.

Nope, several turn better (Spit V, brewster, zeke), climb at least as well (Most 109's), and several can outrun a 16 depending on initial E state (any Hog, and your 51, plus more).
 

The spit V, Brewster, and Zeke all have a speed disadvantage allowing you to extend away from them so you dont get dragged into there style of fighting.  Most 109s ive seen in the lake get chewed up by spit16s.(except my F4)
And ive never been able to outrun a spit16 in a pony, even with WEP on. so to that statement i give you a:  

No again, it was banned because it causes an imbalance in the arena.
 

Well genius what type of imbalance would that be? Overflown.   The lake would become nothing but a jet furball. therefore its banned from the DA. the lake mostly becomes a giant spit16 furball at high numbers, therefore It should be banned for imbalance as well.

 

And they are frequently easy kills, IF you use correct tactics.

yes, BnZ, Pick them like a temp tard. so fun  

Uh, yup.  You do want to win right?  It's dumb to try to turn fight a zeke in a 190 right, I see no difference  If you can't beat them, join them.

That a very stupid similie, not even worth spending the time to disect it.

Now grab a tissue, wipe your nose, and learn how to fly and fight...

No, i guess i should just stop discussing the subject with shrubs who spend maybe a day in the DA a month then feel they know whats best for the arena  
Half the people who have commented on the subject ive never even seen in there.
MA'ers passing judgement down on a DA situation without being a regular to the lake is like me trying to pass judgement down on whats best for FSO when ive never flown in FSO before  

[SEseph]

So the DA's F3 view should go the way of the Dodo.

How did this thread become a whine about the Spixteen? It's a plane. It's destroyable. If you have issues with killing it, maybe you need more practice against it.

And subscribing in 2010 with a current post count of 2401 isn't practice. Put those fingers and keyboard to game use, or read more on each plane's performance. You need some insight into a plane to take it down.   

Kill F3 mode. 2 weeks. 

[Scca]

And ive never been able to outrun a spit16 in a pony, even with WEP on. so to that statement i give you a:  

Clearly, you are doing something wrong then http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=p51d&p2=spit16

I wish you luck, I can only speak facts so long before I realize it's time to bow out.    

BTW, the DA is for dueling, furball lake is for people who want the fight, but don't want it to count.  Oh, enjoy 5th grade, I remember it to be fun.

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