Spawn Camping

[vNUCKS]

And on another note, now realizing that DMGOD and his petty minions should try offering something of value and substance to their posts but lack the ability to do so is a tragic loss to the AH commununity...

So, back on topic, does the denial of SA to GV spawners limit the likelihood that a typical AH player will engage in GV warfare, and would providing this SA lead to improving and increasing GV usage?  And if so, what would be the best way to accomplish this?

[Tank-Ace]

You'd need icons to get the kind of SA you want  .

[gyrene81]

So, back on topic, does the denial of SA to GV spawners limit the likelihood that a typical AH player will engage in GV warfare,

no. the "typical" ah player is here for the planes, the vehicles are just extra toys.

and would providing this SA lead to improving and increasing GV usage?

no. people will use gv's when the mood strikes them. providing crystal ball vision to every spawn point on the map won't make people use them any more than they do now.

And if so, what would be the best way to accomplish this?

you seem to overlook the fact that communcation and teamwork can overcome spawn campers. you want to know what's going on at a gv spawn, do a flyby or ask someone else to do one. if someone is camping a spawn, drop bombs on them or spawn in with other people. there are usually mulitple spots where gv's spawn at any given spawn point, 3 or more good tankers spawning in with 76mm shermans can break a spawn camp fairly easily. if they have air support at the spawn, that works even better.

[VonMessa]

you seem to overlook the fact that communcation and teamwork can overcome spawn campers. you want to know what's going on at a gv spawn, do a flyby or ask someone else to do one. if someone is camping a spawn, drop bombs on them or spawn in with other people. there are usually mulitple spots where gv's spawn at any given spawn point, 3 or more good tankers spawning in with 76mm shermans can break a spawn camp fairly easily. if they have air support at the spawn, that works even better.

^^^^^   This 

[coombz]

"you already have ground to drive on, what more do you need?"

[Tank-Ace]

\ like I said, it its not relevant to fighter pilots, its seen as not important at best, and usually degrades into a "you already have ground to drive on, what more do you need?" argument between the tankers and the flyers.

Sorry Coombz, no looking at quotes out of context  .

[The Fugitive]

no. the "typical" ah player is here for the planes, the vehicles are just extra toys.
no. people will use gv's when the mood strikes them. providing crystal ball vision to every spawn point on the map won't make people use them any more than they do now.

you seem to overlook the fact that communcation and teamwork can overcome spawn campers. you want to know what's going on at a gv spawn, do a flyby or ask someone else to do one. if someone is camping a spawn, drop bombs on them or spawn in with other people. there are usually mulitple spots where gv's spawn at any given spawn point, 3 or more good tankers spawning in with 76mm shermans can break a spawn camp fairly easily. if they have air support at the spawn, that works even better.

But that's not how the games played. What your suggesting would make "tactical" sense and this game has nothing to do with tactics. This game is about twisting whats available to to do childish, less time consuming or challenging things. Such as horde base after base, hide CVs once captured, or the ever popular spawn camping to get hundreds of kills on foolish tankers that keep upping.

Why would people do any kind of recon flights? Why would people use time tables and way points to out line plans for a mission? Why would people spawn groups of GVs and find a likely ambush spot where the enemy GV would wander by to attack a base? If they did you might think this was a WWII game !  

[Tank-Ace]

Fugitive, you know how hard it is to get ordnance porked (by asking on country)? It just proves the mule-stubborn determination of the average AH player not to do anything even remotely resembling work, regardless of if it benefits the fight they're in.

This also seems to be extended into an unwillingness to do anything tacticly sound.

[DREDIOCK]

of course the base would have to flash immediately when someone spawns in.
 

Why? Just leave it as it is now where the base flashes once any enemy is within a certain range. No need for immediate notification.

Though the flashing spawn arrow seems fair.

An all around better solution would be to not have any GV spawn within XX amount of distance of an opposing GV. As defending GVs near the designated spawn area the actual spawn area would be moved either backwards, or laterally to either side of the opposiong GVs to maintain XX amount of spawn distance.

That spawn distance should be far enough that nobody can get an immediate shot. yet close enough that they would be within range of taking a shot within a couple of minutes of drive time.

[DREDIOCK]

you seem to overlook the fact that communcation and teamwork can overcome spawn campers. you want to know what's going on at a gv spawn, do a flyby or ask someone else to do one. if someone is camping a spawn, drop bombs on them or spawn in with other people. there are usually mulitple spots where gv's spawn at any given spawn point, 3 or more good tankers spawning in with 76mm shermans can break a spawn camp fairly easily. if they have air support at the spawn, that works even better.

^^^^^   This 

You two were obviously not at the place I was the other night that was camped so well that a combination of a good deal of tanks, fighters,fighterbombers, medium bombers and heavy bombers carpet bombing the area didnt even come close to breaking the spawncamp.

[VonMessa]

Well, there are other options...

[gyrene81]

You two were obviously not at the place I was the other night that was camped so well that a combination of a good deal of tanks, fighters,fighterbombers, medium bombers and heavy bombers carpet bombing the area didnt even come close to breaking the spawncamp.

there are some situations where that will occur. controlling a base where your side only controls one spawn point from a single base and the other side controls multiple spawn points from other bases. and if air cover has to fly a sector to provide support, makes it tougher.

[MaSonZ]

awwwwww    are the spawn campers ruining your fun?  Welcome to the club and the only way the game is to be played, after all HTC set it up that way, it must be the way it should be played, right? Just like hiding CVs and such.

was waiting on someone to say this  i agree though, its part of the game. get used to it or dont do it.

[The Fugitive]

Fugitive, you know how hard it is to get ordnance porked (by asking on country)? It just proves the mule-stubborn determination of the average AH player not to do anything even remotely resembling work, regardless of if it benefits the fight they're in.

This also seems to be extended into an unwillingness to do anything tacticly sound.

That's my point. This game is no longer about "playing" a war game It's become all about "winning" the war game. There is a big difference between the two.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

You already have the "delay" that allows you to turn your turret 180^o before the campers can see you.

How many times do you try and spawn in before you decide a spawn is camped?




wrongway

I cannot count how many times I am in ambush position, kill a guy, and while reloading he magically fires a second before he shows up in front of me. your buddy vNATEBO knows all about it. IU was killed at a spawn 3 times without seeing him before I finally found him....I mean before he finally appeared after 2 seconds of me sitting there