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Offline ToeTag

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Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« on: August 12, 2011, 10:14:31 AM »
I have narrowed it down to two rifles based on reviews.  However I know this bbs has more opinions and informed people than the forums I've been doing my research on.  So far I have been seriously considering buying either a Savage 111 or the Marlin X7 in 30-06 or 308 caliber.  So far I have not seen a bad word about either of these rifles.  Anyone know of another rifle that falls into this price range with an equal or better reputation?  Or if one of these rifles has an edge over the other?

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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 10:16:46 AM »
Depends on what your going to do with the rifle. Hunting or just target practice.
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 10:18:55 AM »
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2011, 10:22:54 AM »
As I was writing this, I knew I should have mentioned Intent.......I just moved to Montana.  I will be doing some hunting next year.  Big game sheep, elk and deer.  Longest shots from my eyes will be maybe 300 yds.
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2011, 10:23:25 AM »
I have a savage 30'06 and it's a wonderful rifle.  Bolt is easily removed cleaned and replaced, cleaning is simple and straightforward, and I absolutely love the trigger pull.  The one I bought came with a 1x - 10x variable zoom scope that works great, and is also easily adjusted.  Plus I just love the 30'06 round. :)
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2011, 10:27:19 AM »
Yea I heard you can find ammo for a 30-06 under most rocks.
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2011, 10:28:37 AM »
BTW, Born and Raised in Northern Montana...  I'd say 30'06 is good, if you have a bad shoulder, 270 is also a decent round that'll work on most game.  Wouldn't trust it w/ a girzzly though.
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2011, 10:30:52 AM »
I've had a Savage before as well.  Was a very nice shooting rifle.  I sold it simply because there is very little you can legally use it for in the Peoples Republic of Illinois.

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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2011, 10:41:46 AM »
I love my model 700 in 270 hunting deer and hog in Texas.

You may want a heavier round for moose and such.
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2011, 11:02:21 AM »
The 3 guys I have spoken to regularly hunt in MT.  They all suggested the 06 or 308 calibers.  Larger rounds damage to much meat they say. 
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2011, 11:38:23 AM »
I have hunted there spend the money and get a weatherby 7mm magnum. I love both the 308 and the 30-06 but for elk and longer shots go with the weatherby
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2011, 11:42:02 AM »
The nice thing about the 06 is the ability to buy heavier grain ammo.  I use 180gr in WV for everything, but I know 220gr are available which will give you the extra punch for larger game like elk and bear.  I haven't used .308 so I am no means a .308 expert.  But I have used a .30-06 for about 15 years now (Winchester model 70).
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2011, 11:42:40 AM »
i shoot a Husqavarna Nitro 30.06 real fine big game rifle. as far as the bigger rounds wrecking meat, that's hogwash. Shot placement determines the damage, just make a clean shot.
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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2011, 12:22:45 PM »
My dad's got a Savage .308 and another in .22-250, they're model 110s though.  They're excellent rifles, and I'd have absolutely no trouble recommending them.  The accutrigger is a really, really nice feature IMO.

He's spent a ridiculous amount of time messing around with them and has the .308 shooting MOA at 500 yards.  For what you've mentioned wanting to use it for, I think I'd go 30-06 just for the ability to use heavier bullet weights on elk.  The .308 will do the job, but shot placement's a bit critical.

YMMV.

As to larger calibers wrecking more meat, obviously a clean shot is a clean shot.  Doesn't matter if you're using a .243 or a .50 BMG.  Put one through the ribs broadside, minimal meat spoilage, the critter falls over dead.

Now, my brother in law is using a .300 Win Mag using 180 grain bullets.  He took a slightly (max 25 degree) front quartering shot on a mule deer last year.  The bullet deflected off the upper leg bone just below the shoulder blade and went back...  It exited the opposite corner ham, pretty much obliterating it.  Now it's a single anecdote, we can play shoulda coulda woulda all day, but IMHO if it had been a lighter, slightly lower velocity .30 cal like a .308 the damage would've been mitigated, it probably wouldn't have done as much damage at the back and stopped before it exited the body cavity.  IMO it magnified the error.

The heavier calibers do give you more versatility in bullet weights for shooting larger stuff though, that can't be argued.

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Re: Need a entry level rifle...but which one?
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2011, 02:32:21 PM »
I highly suggest a Savage rifle.  The .30-06 is the most versatile caliber out there.  For the larger big game (elk, moose, bear), the 180grain stuff does nicely.  For deer and antelope the 150gr stuff is the way to go.  Heck, if you are going to reload a "reduced" charge is easily had for target practice. 

Leave all the other crap behind.  You cant go wrong with that combo for an entry level rifle and caliber.   
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