Me-410 props?

[Stoney]

I don't mind the higher wingloading, I'm under the impression that a higher wingloading will make the plane less draggy and a better bnz plane....sounds like a 5 ENY plane!

Not exactly.  Higher wing-loading doesn't mean less draggy.  That being said, if it has enough extra power, it could compensate.

[oakranger]

[Karnak]

I don't mind the higher wingloading, I'm under the impression that a higher wingloading will make the plane less draggy and a better bnz plane....sounds like a 5 ENY plane!

5 ENY?  I doubt it.  We're talking about a heavy twin with performance substantially inferior to the P-38J, P-38L and Mosquito VI.

Per Oakranger's chart, sea level speed is 317mph, speed at 2000m is 349mph and speed at 6400m is 373mph.  I don't know if that chart is WEP or MIL though.

[Noir]

5 ENY?  I doubt it.  We're talking about a heavy twin with performance substantially inferior to the P-38J, P-38L and Mosquito VI.

Per Oakranger's chart, sea level speed is 317mph, speed at 2000m is 349mph and speed at 6400m is 373mph.  I don't know if that chart is WEP or MIL though.

I Was think 5 because the bf110G2, with his crazy ground attack capabilities, is ENY10. If you say the 410 is faster and has at least the same ord packages...

[Karnak]

I Was think 5 because the bf110G2, with his crazy ground attack capabilities, is ENY10. If you say the 410 is faster and has at least the same ord packages...

I am not sure the Bf110G-2 should be ENY 10 anymore.  It seems the days of the Bf110G-2 escorted/accompanied by N1K2-J's was dealt a heavy blow by the redesign of the town.

[Noir]

I am not sure the Bf110G-2 should be ENY 10 anymore.  It seems the days of the Bf110G-2 escorted/accompanied by N1K2-J's was dealt a heavy blow by the redesign of the town.

Well I think the 110 is still a great town buster, I would have to test it but I'm pretty sure that 2 good 110's can still white flag the town.

[PJ_Godzilla]

I don't mind the higher wingloading, I'm under the impression that a higher wingloading will make the plane less draggy and a better bnz plane....sounds like a 5 ENY plane!

Indeed. Look at that nose and tell me whether you'd like it for a lead shot. It's not like using the force to aim past the Dora Jumo snout.

Does anyone know if the little "window" shown at the ventral side of that stub nose was a clear LOS for the pilot? I suspect it was but have never read anything about that piece of kit - though, e.g., the Stuka had a floor window, I'd assume for bomb-aiming, though I'm not sure how it helped since the larger bombs obscure it (perhaps when you're cutting loose from the wing hardpoints?). Anyway, the 410's window also looks like it'd help you with a look-down lead shot.

[Krusty]

Top speed for the 410 was around 390. Some sources suggest with the belly 50kg shackles removed its "clean" speed was 395, some others suggest 388 (possibly slowed from the shackles?). Splitting the difference I'll round it to 390-ish. This would be a WEP setting, though I don't know if it was a 5-or-10-minute power setting or a 30-minute power setting. I don't know as much about the RPM and ata settings to recognize what is what we would call in AH a "WEP" setting.

Keep in mind the 410 had over 1000 km range of operations. Like our in-game Mossie, you wouldn't be flying it "topped off" in most situations. More times than not you'd be taking off with 25% I wager.

[Karnak]

Given the period it was built in I would guess it would have 10 minutes of WEP like the other German aircraft of that time.  From what I recall of, was it Wmaker's thread?,  the deck speed on WEP was about 320mph.  The one that was tested with calked seams did about 340mph on the deck.

Mossie had 1200 miles range on internal fuel and in AH you pretty much have to take 50% if it isn't going to be a one way trip.  Even 25% + DTs pretty much means you aren't coming back unless you you keep the fighting to a very short duration.  While taking 50% instead of 100% has a small effect on speed, it mostly helps in turning and accelerating/climbing.

[Scherf]

I believe the speed chart above is for MIL. I think the 410's engines did 2,700 rpm on 1.4 ata for max output. (Bloody awful B4 fuel.)

The chart itself is from a Luft report on a DB-engined Spitfire - there's charts specific to the 410 elsewhere, but I've not compared them. I also believe there are engine-performance charts "out there" which might allow a comparison of available power at WEP / MIL, might help reverse-calculate the 410's WEP speeds.

[Krusty]

Mossie had 1200 miles range on internal fuel and in AH you pretty much have to take 50% if it isn't going to be a one way trip.  Even 25% + DTs pretty much means you aren't coming back unless you you keep the fighting to a very short duration.

I disagree there... It gains massive amounts by throttling back. Only happens as you describe if you burn WEP nonstop. I've taken it up enough times to know this much. Heck when you wing with Batfink you try things out. I've done an number of 8-kill sorties in the Mossie with 25%/DT

I usually die or run out of ammo before I ever run out of gas. It can fly for ages.

[Krusty]

Karnak: My bad, I said over 1000 km, that's over 1000 miles.

[oboe]

Karnak: My bad, I said over 1000 km, that's over 1000 miles.

No, that's not right -

1 km is roughly .62 miles; therefore 1000 km is about 620 miles

[Krusty]

Sorry Oboe, wasn't clear enough. I meant I made a mistake, originally saying over 1000km, but really the fact of the matter was it's 1000+ miles, not km.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Nice little vid... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zvkbIJWSRI It shows the glass nose detail, the bomb bay, the fence type dive brake, the rear aiming system, leading edge slats, flaps, etc... We need this little bad-ace.