Arrogance has it's place & it's not in the textbox

[Hangtime]

Again and again; it comes back to haunt us. Who are we; all of us who fly this sim? Are we all arrogant asses??

a passage from shaw's tome..

"Fighter pilots don't think of not comming back. They are invincible, or think they are, and they have to be that way. Down in our hearts we may figure that some accident will get us some day, when we are old and gray, when our beards get in the way of the controls, or we get to where we don't see well or react fast - but we know that no enemy fighter is good enough to shoot us down. If that happens it's just an accident."

"These thoughts are the "chips' we carry on our shoulders, and they have to be there - arrogant, egotistical chips mellowed by flying technique and experience and fortified by the motto, "ATTACK!" Never be on the defensive. Shoot the enemy down before he can shoot you down. You are better than he is, but don't give him a chance. He may get in a lucky shot but you are invincible. Move toward any dot in the sky that remotley resembles an airplane. Move to attack, with switches on and the sight ready. If it's not a ship, or it's a friendly one you'll be ready anyway, and your arrogant luck will last longer."

Col Robert Scott Jr USAAF. 10 kills WWII

Hunh. Yup, I fit that bill. I'm an arrogant ass.  

Another perspective, from the movie Independance Day. My respect for Will Smiths acting jumped up 10 notches when he demonstrated the Fighter Pilot Personna perfectly during that ridiculous 'dogfight' (don't TELL me you shot that red toejam at ME!)and in particular after forcing the ailen fighter to auger on the top of the mesa. Cursing; swearing; jumping with rage he pursued that guy to a punch in the chops... the fight NEVER ends for a fighter pilot. Never. The only thing I liked about that movie...

WELCOME TO EARTH!  

Now; how do we contain all this rage and arrogance??

Well; you can get a cat. <PUNT!>

Or; you can recognise the rage and arrogance for the tool that it is.. without it; you would lack the necessary 'fire' inside it takes to persevere in a fight. Learn to control it. Use it to drive yourself to victory. And when you WIN or LOSE, remember to turn it off. (along with that damn recorder)

And if the rage is still there after the parts settle to earth; you can punt the cat; or head for the other tool provided graciously by the developer. Take the fight to the P&D arena.

PLEASE KEEP THE MORONIC DEGRADING SLURS AND INSULTS OUTTA THE TEXTBOX! I SUBMIT THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ANSWER ANY SLUR OR INSULT WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN A CHALLENGE TO FIGHT 'OUTSIDE'. (if you feel so inclined) EITHER IGNORE THEM OR TELL EM TO PUT UP; OR SHUT UP; BUT DO NOT RETURN THE DAMN INSULTS.

<PUNT!>

Thanks for your attention to this small matter.

Hang

[-cman-]

Amen Brother! (Can I get an Amen?)

Anyone who talks trash to another guy in the arena and doesn't accept a challenge is a gutless coward and undeserving of anything but ruthless vulching and stony silence.

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before."

[hblair]

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[Downtown]

I have run into MarkVZ several times on this sim.  The most enjoyable I think was somehow we ended up in an HO that neither of us could quite avoid.  I think I won the kill in the Text Box, and we floated to the ground about 600 yards apart in our chutes.

We then virtually walked up to each other on the ground.

The next night I was in a Pony flying toward an enemy field.  I Saw three NME Cons above me, and they started to dive for me.  I did the manly thing and played Runstang.

On Channel 1 I see "MarkVZ: Is that all you can do Rook Runstang?"

I replied Hello to Mark, and advised that if he were to send his two friends away I would meet him at Co-Alt and we could discuss it.

He turned back, and I saw on channel one "MarkVZ: Not biting eh Downtown?"

Sometimes a bit of Gab will get the guy in the Mustang to turn back and fight.  As it ended up, I dragged one of his friends into ack, and killed the other in a fair low turn fight.

Now, I guess some people are thick of skin like myself, and won't turn back, regardless of what you say about me.  Others aren't, and it seems to me that Arrogance in the textbox had gotten some of them to turn back.  I generally think that it is the intent of those who badmouth others over channel one.  THey can't catch you.  How many of you would turn back if I said "I can't catch you, would you be a good enough fellow to turn back, and If it would not be too inconvient, could you fly low and slow, and straight and level for me also."

Just so you know, I have tried that, and no one has bitten yet.

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Hals und beinbruch!

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[Saintaw]

LOL Hblair !

<PUNT>

No one insults me   Want to know why ? They shoot ME down all the time  


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[Swager]

The idea is to get shot down alot.  So whenever you get shot down it's no big deal.  Just another day at the office.

Some people cannot take defeat.  I shot down a ME109 that I caught in the top of a loop. He was maneuvering on a lower ME109 (a fellow countryman).  One short squirt and BOOM!  He gets on CH 100 and gets on me about getting vulched (We were at 7000 feet) and gangbanged (There were two of us)!!

He musta found out I was a member of JG2 and he ragged on me about flying a Spit.  Telling me I should only fly LW A/C or quit the squad! So here I am listening to this praddle and LMAO.  I did not reply.  Both him and I knew he got beat.  He wasn't watching and I blew him outa the sky!  Peroid!

Some people can't take getting shot down.  Somewhere there is always a reason they got shot down besides the obvious one.  They got bested!!  They got beat and were shot down!!

The best thing for a victor to do when someone is slinging crap at them is to ignore it and fly the sim.  That is what you're paying for, right??

A very good pilot (enemy) was over the field I just took off from.  I hugged the ack, not wanting to climb a low speed spit up into a P-51 with a clear advantage.  So I hugged ack and he stayed above.  He finally typed on open channel (I was waiting for it):

 "Having fun hugging that ack spit"  Hah!  Found out who the pilot was!  Not good news!

We chated awhile. He never came down into ack and I never climbed into a losing battle. He tried to coax me to engage, even calling me a coward, but momma raise no fools and neither one of us lost our cool.

Some people take this sim too seriously.

Hang!! Stop slappin that cat!!!    

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Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"

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[Vermillion]

LOL!! Swager "Yah Ack Hugger!"  

That would've been me.

But I do remember that my comments were in jest, and I put alot of :-) and ;-) in my comments on both open channel and in our private chat. To indicate that I was playing and kidding with you.

And call you a coward? Wow .... that doesn't sound like me or a comment I would make, but if I did I heartily apologize.  

Basically I was bored waiting for some of your buddies to come along and make it interesting, and was just talking to pass the time.

Shortly after that me and Popeye took on a pair of your La-5's at about 25k, got em both, and then got one or two others on the way home.

Was a fun sortie and didn't mean to offend you.

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"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[hblair]

On a more serious note, you guys make great points. Getting shot down aint that big a deal.

I look at it like this, If I get shot down, there is one person to blame, and he aint flying the other plane either.    


On another subject altogether,

I feel very, very guilty for that earlier reply in this thread. I am a cat lover and cat abuse is something very serious to me. Here is the sound of my cat being treated the way it really deserves to be treated.

hblair shows his cat how much he loves it

   


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[Hangtime]

Hey, I like cat too!

Wanna exchange recipies?

Hang (partial to deep fried)

[funked]

Just always assume the other guy is smiling when he types something at ya!

[Hangtime]

LOL Downtown... we've all done some baiting.. and it's not misinterpeted by any of us.

It is amazing on the other hand just how suddenly tempers can flare. And thats expected too.

Then there's the flamers.. and we all know those... when they get goin you can see the mood change instantly. And they go on; and on and on..  

That's when it's time fer ALL of us to point the way outta the bar and into the parking lot for the two parties involved. "Take that crap outside!" No need ta trash our club with this kinda ruckus. Right? Then the rest of us can get back to teasing the lemmings outta the acks in peace.  

Hang (teachin the cat bowling next week)

[iculus]

right on hang!

IC

[milnko]

[Richard Nixon persona on]

 "I am not a ack hugger, I've never been a ack hugger."

[Richard Nixon persona off]

Note:
1.  I don't hug ack, I cower in it.

2.  I never run away, I extend.

3.  When I miss a shot it is cuz' my wife is     talking to me.

4.  Sticks and Stones (sometimes 20mm) will      break my bones but, first ya gotta catch     me.

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[MarkVZ]

Downtown,
  I remember that fight.  I was trying to get you to turn around because I was running on fumes and it was then or never.  My engine sputtered to a stop (I think I was in a 109) and I turned back to avoid being killed while ditching.  Sometimes a light taunting gets them to turn around.  I usually wouldn't do that but I was 5 minutes away from no fuel and wanted to make something of that flight before I went in  
  I also remember the time you and me bailed right next to eachother and "fought" it out as grunts.  I was in a B17 and you were in a fighter if I recall right, and we took eachother's wings off.  I was laughing my head off as we assaulted eachother on the ground  That showed me that you had a good sense of humor and were a cool headed and honorable opponent, and I have alot of respect for you.  It was a really refreshing thing to see after most kills of others resulted in "HO Dweeb!" or "Nice warp buddy!"
  I also recall the time that I bailed over an elevated base after taking the ack down, and started walking to the regen point to wave hello to the rooks taking off.  Downtown bailed and started walking towards me, but I got vulched by a landing pony that claimed I was spying.  Oh well, it was all in fun  

Salute to the walking pilots!

 

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[Heckel]

Hang,

I believe you may be referring, at least in part, to my last scrape with Tern(e).  I had popped him in an HO, and he lit up the common channel with the usual tripe, to which I replied until you and some others stepped between us.  Yes, I sometimes let my aggression get the best of me, like when I shot Pongo in his chute thinking he was Camo, after downing what I thought was a returning vulcher who'd shot me repeatedly moments earlier.  Pongo's offer to bring his wife and kids along for me to strafe ended my chute-shooting appetite, and hearty apologies followed.  But I've only so much patience for certain individuals' slag on the common channel, and I'm quick on the trigger when full of adreneline.  However, for your sake, Hang, and out of respect for those of you pilots who continually show restraint and even-handedness in the air, I'll rein in my Italian temper and channel it into SA, where it belongs.

I'd rather be an accurate, than a loose, cannon...

-Heckel,
THUNDERBIRDS