I <3 LOGISTICS!

[G0ALY]

The conditions that made the PBY a success in the war are not present in the game. We dont have a vast pacific, most of it out of enemy fighter range. We dont have downed pilots, "and who would fly 2 hours to save one anyway"? We dont have night attacks on enemy convoys. Dont have submarines. All we have are CVs to bomb, and the PBY is so poorly defended it would be dead meat before it even got close to the CV. Players might upp a PBY once and then they'd go right back to B-26s, JU-88s, Lancs, 17s, 24s, all of which have vastly superior defensive firepower and/or bomb loads, and performance. I mean when was the last time you saw a Betty in LWA ? And the Betty is a racehorse compared to the PBY.

We need a Soviet level bomber. Not another hangar queen. All due respect.

This could be summed up with, “I wouldn’t fly this… So nobody else should have a chance to either.”

All due respect.

[Devil 505]

This could be summed up with, “I wouldn’t fly this… So nobody else should have a chance to either.”

All due respect.

But he makes a valid point. It would be like having the C-47 but no use for troops or supplies. Why would anybody fly it if it doesnt fill a role needed in the game?

[G0ALY]

Adding a seaplane with the ability to be operated from ports creates a NEW roll in the game.

[Rich52]

This could be summed up with, “I wouldn’t fly this… So nobody else should have a chance to either.”

All due respect.

Actually Im saying virtually nobody would fly it. I thought I made that clear. There is no niche in the game for it to fill.

[Devil 505]

Adding a seaplane with the ability to be operated from ports creates a NEW roll in the game.

No it doesn't. It's just a useless plane you can fly from a port with no purpose for its existance.

[Changeup]

No it doesn't. It's just a useless plane you can fly from a port with no purpose for its existance.

 Some ideas:

- launch resupply flights to bases
- launch resupply flights to CVs
- endurance recon flights
- CSAR ( combat search and rescue) how cool would it be to be able to pick up bailed pilots at sea? Pilot gets a life and the seaplane driver gets perks for saving him

Just some thoughts

[G0ALY]

Actually Im saying virtually nobody would fly it. I thought I made that clear. There is no niche in the game for it to fill.

This creates a niche and then fills it… WIN - WIN.

[wil3ur]

Some ideas:

- launch resupply flights to bases
- launch resupply flights to CVs
- endurance recon flights
- CSAR ( combat search and rescue) how cool would it be to be able to pick up bailed pilots at sea? Pilot gets a life and the seaplane driver gets perks for saving him

Just some thoughts

Some other ideas are to give it it's own dar ring, not visible to country, but that the player is able to air cons as well as (and here's the kicker) SHIPS!  This would allow NOE recon for carriers and make the PBY effective in a roll that's suited to it.  It'd be low and slow, but it has some defensive gunnery...  It's ability to launch from a port and keep low if needed would be pluses that allow it to work in it's roll.  Yes it's not entirely realistic, but it adds a use and even somewhat of a bonus for flying one.  I think the cons of the plane would still outweigh this and keep it from being a huge game changer...

But really, PBY is just a pipe-dream, I think the carrier supply convoy idea by itself would fix a couple complaints and add an element to the game that would be new and exciting, especially to the more 'role playing' pilots.

[guncrasher]

cvs had enough supplies to operate for several weeks, even in ah days it will take several rl days for the cv needing supplies,  so you would have to  limit cv range to one rl hour or two and if supplies vessels get sunk then cv is out of commission.  needing supplies to be flown.  cvs cannot be resuplied  by air.  very unrealistic way to try to introduce the pby.

semp

[iron650]

+1

If we can't supply a CV by air have a support fleet with oil tankers and an escort carrier.

[Changeup]

cvs had enough supplies to operate for several weeks, even in ah days it will take several rl days for the cv needing supplies,  so you would have to  limit cv range to one rl hour or two and if supplies vessels get sunk then cv is out of commission.  needing supplies to be flown.  cvs cannot be resuplied  by air.  very unrealistic way to try to introduce the pby.

semp

I wouldnt say unrealistic, supps are flown to carriers everyday....as it applies to the game now, yes...but RL? Very realistic

[SmokinLoon]

Raises hand. (I suck at pretty much everything else.)

+1,000,000 for the idea.


ditto for the buttons image there, its uh, hypnotic and I , uh,  sorta , uh      .....                   ,

Wow.. something that would be slower than the C47!   

[Changeup]

Wow.. something that would be slower than the C47!   

Yes but it could have it's own DAR ring

[wil3ur]

cvs had enough supplies to operate for several weeks, even in ah days it will take several rl days for the cv needing supplies,  so you would have to  limit cv range to one rl hour or two and if supplies vessels get sunk then cv is out of commission.  needing supplies to be flown.  cvs cannot be resuplied  by air.  very unrealistic way to try to introduce the pby.

semp

CV's would be resupplied by support convoys.  As stated, these convoys would bring about the need and use of something like a PBY.  In recon for shipping, that's not unrealistic at all.  Also, I'm sure a Carrier group steaming across the central pacific with nothing going on isn't going to require as many resupplies.  They'll be launching scout craft, but for the most part operations are frozen.  Now get into the island hopping campaigns of the south pacific where there's attrition on planes, hundreds if not thousands of sorties being flown in which fuel and ordinance is used, antiaircraft & ground artillery use etc etc etc...  and you end up with a group that probably requires resupply a bit more often.

Point is not to make this game 'more realistic', obviously that's not a huge concern or we'd have wind, weather, night time, varying terrain and all that other fun stuff that you'd see.  Instead, it's offering a solution to an extremely common complaint.  Please try and offer something constructive to the game.  Don't be a Negative Nancy.

[Delirium]

Carriers had many supply ships meet up with them, particularly when air operations were present. They could go weeks, if they didn't have air operations taking place.



Here is a picture of a CVE under going refueling.



This is a link to a diary made by a sailor, note the multiple refuels in his log.

http://www.cowpensvets.org/wardiary.html

Now I'll quote Donald L. Miller, who is well known for his consulting work and historical background.

"... along with a sea train of fuel (bold added by me), cargo, repair and hospital vessels that allowed the task groups to operate out of port for as long as 70 days. Each carrier group was refueled every 4 days by oilers, which also brought the mail and the latest movies."

This is a nice reference for the use of resupply during the Okinawa campaign. (Summary of Service, Biographical File: Rear Adm. Edward E. Paré)

    "The fuel required for the Okinawa operation far exceeded that consumed during any previous campaign. This large consumption was the result of the many ships employed and an increase in their endurance at sea because of the underway replenishment facilities of Service Squadron 6. Between 17 March and 27 May, the amount of fuel oil, diesel oil, and aviation gasoline issued by Task Group 50.8 for replenishment at sea (including its own use) was 8,745,000 barrels of fuel oil (ninety tankers' worth), 259,000 barrels of diesel oil, and 21,477,000 gallons of aviation gasoline. This was more petroleum than Japan managed to import or produce during the entire year of 1944!"