Fix ENY

[Tank-Ace]

its not any greater relative advantage. They still have 20% more players over the side you're comparing so it gets the same ENY as 120:100. But they still have 40 more players to put into the fight which is a big advanage.


So at very low numbers, ENY will be too harsh as a 30% advantage could only mean 5 more players. At very high numbers ENY can be too loose, as a 30% advantage could mean maybe 60 more players.

[Vinkman]

ENY is a short term handicap based on country numbers.  Since players have no short term control over ENY since the change times got pushed up to 12 hours, there is no reason to have ENY imo.  It just pisses people off and they have no recourse anymore. 

The saying used to be "Eny is the price of your loyalty".  That does not apply any longer.

Grizz,
Doesn;t this assume its only purpose was to get you to switch? Since you can no longer switch, that purpose is now irrelevant. BUT since you can;t switch to correct the imbalance, the code dumbs down the planes set to create "effective balance" ilo numbers balance.

In that respect, isn't it still serving its purpose?

 

[RTHolmes]

its not any greater relative advantage. They still have 20% more players over the side you're comparing so it gets the same ENY as 120:100. But they still have 40 more players to put into the fight which is a big advanage.

you keep saying that, but you still havent explained why or how.

can you explain how higher numbers increase the advantage even more than just the relative advantage?

[Delirium]

ENY doesn't work; either the penalties are too low or if they effecting the player base, they can't switch back and forth to even up the different chess prices.

At this point, the only ENY that will work is zone ENY sinc the players still have the ability to go somewhere else on the map where less friendlies are flying. It is comical to see 10v1 in one sector and 4 sectors away it is a 1v10. Somehow I doubt it will ever appear in AH since it will all but shutdown the many of the horde base taking groups.

[grizz441]

Grizz,
Doesn;t this assume its only purpose was to get you to switch? Since you can no longer switch, that purpose is now irrelevant. BUT since you can;t switch to correct the imbalance, the code dumbs down the planes set to create "effective balance" ilo numbers balance.

In that respect, isn't it still serving its purpose?

 

It's serving its "purpose" in that respect yes, but since there are just as many high eny planes that cater to horders it really does nothing, for example, D9s and A8s.  Heck even the Typhoon is Eny 10, which would really take a large imbalance to nerf.

[Delirium]

Zone ENY wouldn't be so bad.

After a 10 plane advantage, make the ENY climb 5 points for every additional plane.

If they want to horde, they'll have to fly farther and coordinate their attacks from multiple bases. At least it will give the defenders a better opportunity to mount a defense. Of course, the defenders will also be effected by the zone ENY as well.

edit: Like I said, it would never happen because the mega base taking squads would have a fit.

[guncrasher]

ENY doesn't work; either the penalties are too low or if they effecting the player base, they can't switch back and forth to even up the different chess prices.

At this point, the only ENY that will work is zone ENY sinc the players still have the ability to go somewhere else on the map where less friendlies are flying. It is comical to see 10v1 in one sector and 4 sectors away it is a 1v10. Somehow I doubt it will ever appear in AH since it will all but shutdown the many of the horde base taking groups.

dont you think with zone eny you can just flight from outside the zone?  and what would happened if 30 guys spawn at the same time in brand new 262's?  wont eny affect only people spawning after?  even with "zone" eny you will still have 20 or 30 guys attacking one base and 2 attacking another near base.

dont forget about the hq/city missions upping from way back in the rear.  no enemy for several sectors and yet they still have eny.

so called "zone eny" is just as <start sarcasm font>  effective <end sarcasm font> as country wide eny.

semp

[Wiley]

Zone ENY wouldn't be so bad.

After a 10 plane advantage, make the ENY climb 5 points for every additional plane.

If they want to horde, they'll have to fly farther and coordinate their attacks from multiple bases. At least it will give the defenders a better opportunity to mount a defense. Of course, the defenders will also be effected by the zone ENY as well.

edit: Like I said, it would never happen because the mega base taking squads would have a fit.

  So... assuming no enemy in the area, 10 planes can be in the area when you take off before ENY kicks in?  The eleventh has 5 eny to deal with, the twelfth has 10 eny, and so on up to the cap of what, 20?  How big is the area?  A sector?

Wiley.

[HawkerMKII]

Nuthing wrong with ENY....nits had 40 more players on....no ENY...whats wrong with that

[Tank-Ace]

Like I said, a parabolic curve to when ENY kicks in will fix this  .

[guncrasher]

Like I said, a parabolic curve to when ENY kicks in will fix this  .

you are using a big word and yet fail to explain how it is different than what we have now.

semp

[Tank-Ace]

Right now ENY kicks in at a fixed rate based on percentages (as I understand it at least)

So for the purpose of explination lets say that ENY starts to kick in when you have a 7% numbers advantage over one of the other two sides. As it is, ENY kicks in at 7% regardless of the actual numbers that percentage is representing.

If the numbers are  10, 10, and 11, the side with 11 is already expierencing ENY dispite only having a one player advantage over each individual team, and having a 1.1-1 advantage over any one team. Divided across two fronts, they only have 1/2 a person more than either one team, but they are already limited by ENY.

So say we add a parabolic curve to the percentage advantage that must be present for ENY to kick in, based on total population. This would mean that ENY needs a higher percentage before it begins to take effect when the population numbers are low, and a lower percentage when the arena population is high, since the total numbers advantage that percentage represents changes based on total arena population.

See what I mean? If we change the percentage required for ENY to take effect, that percentage being determined by total numbers, ENY becomes more dynamic, and form fitting to the current situation rather than just a median of numbers.

[guncrasher]

you are just throwing a bunch of big words but nothing else.  explain down to numbers how this should work, because it looks like it's what we have now.

semp

[Tank-Ace]

Is it OK if I use hypotheticals? Math has never been my strong-suit, and developing a mathematical formula that will change the ENY % according to the population is beyond me.

I might be able to come up with a basic one (not quite what we want, but closer) if I knew the current percentages ENY needs to kick in, and if the rate at which ENY increases is linear or parabolic itself.

[guncrasher]

Is it OK if I use hypotheticals? Math has never been my strong-suit, and developing a mathematical formula that will change the ENY % according to the population is beyond me.

I might be able to come up with a basic one (not quite what we want, but closer) if I knew the current percentages ENY needs to kick in, and if the rate at which ENY increases is linear or parabolic itself.

ah ok, i see you are trolling. 

semp