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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 09:41:53 PM »
Some pilots seem to think they have a right to fly B52 patterns
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 09:44:43 PM »
Unless you are a B52 pilot, then you have the right to fly B52 patterns.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 10:58:15 PM »
 :rofl


Just yesterday I entered a pattern behind this cessna that was making wide a** turns in the pattern, I was thinking "what's wrong with this guy, I'm bigger and I don't even need to make such wide turns". So now after watching this video I understand that he had a CFI with him  :D.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 11:03:27 PM »
I liked how he accumulated more stripes on his epaulets as the video went on.  :lol

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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 11:37:55 PM »
Jokes aside I don't know any CFIs that make you fly a super large patterns, most are reasonable.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 11:53:22 PM »
Jokes aside I don't know any CFIs that make you fly a super large patterns, most are reasonable.

Yea, the one person I know who flies 747 patterns in his Cherokee 180 is in his 50's and has been flying for many years. 


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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 11:56:35 PM »
Lol, my instructor wasn't anything like what this vid was referring to.  Then again, maybe I just got lucky.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 11:59:28 PM »
Yea, the one person I know who flies 747 patterns in his Cherokee 180 is in his 50's and has been flying for many years. 



Could you be more specific as to how large and why? I'm trying to figure out the logic behind it.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 12:28:48 AM »
Could you be more specific as to how large and why? I'm trying to figure out the logic behind it.

I don't think there is any logic.

All I know is at this particular field, most small planes turn base to final right behind the hospital, this guy always flies a bit wider downwind, and goes at least a half mile further.  I had the chance to fly in a WWII bomber (PV-2 Harpoon) there, and they flew a slightly shorter final then he does.

Also I think he talks way to much on the radio, it is an uncontrolled field, but he calls out his position like every 20 seconds starting 10 miles out I swear.  Granted I'm not a pilot yet, so I don't know the exact regs, but he seems excessive, he honesty makes 4 times as many radio calls as anyone else I've heard there.

I think he's just a quirky old man.  I met him while doing a 100hr on his plane, he just seemed odd.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2011, 12:49:28 AM »
I don't think there is any logic.

All I know is at this particular field, most small planes turn base to final right behind the hospital, this guy always flies a bit wider downwind, and goes at least a half mile further.  I had the chance to fly in a WWII bomber (PV-2 Harpoon) there, and they flew a slightly shorter final then he does.

Also I think he talks way to much on the radio, it is an uncontrolled field, but he calls out his position like every 20 seconds starting 10 miles out I swear.  Granted I'm not a pilot yet, so I don't know the exact regs, but he seems excessive, he honesty makes 4 times as many radio calls as anyone else I've heard there.

I think he's just a quirky old man.  I met him while doing a 100hr on his plane, he just seemed odd.

I don't really know where the hospital is so I can't say whether he was right or wrong, I usually turn base at the 45 of my intended landing point, if there is traffic that would create a hazard I'd adjust my pattern. For example if there is a slower plane than me on final I'd keep it in the downwind a little longer (or/and slow down) to give him time land & clear the runway. Maybe that was the case?

I usually do a 10nm call so everyone around the airport would be expecting me and see me coming. The next calls would be midfield downwind, turning base, turning final, and clear of runway. If there there are aircraft around me that are too close for comfort I'd make sure he knows of my existence by making extra calls or asking him specifically if he sees me.
Depending on your speed you might end up doing some calls 20 or even 10 seconds apart.
There is really nothing wrong with someone reporting their position so often as long as he's not telling his life story.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 11:10:46 AM »
 :rofl agreed. Paterns are too big when you have follow the space shuttle turning downwind in a cesna
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 11:27:05 AM »
Seems to me local regulations dictate traffic patterns.  In some instances you just can't fly over certain things.  That and air traffic seem like they'd have more to do with how you line up and time your approach than jumping in ahead of someone who's making a long slow turn, flying over a DHS no fly zone, and getting rammed and fined on landing.

That being said, only planes I take a really long profile landing w/ in here are the 262 and AR234, just cause once you get em slow enough to touch down, you really don't want to be turning em all that much.  F4U's require a near 90 degree runway approach and high angle of attack for me to land with any success,  stall through the turn and touchdown at under 80MPH so my bellybutton end doesn't swing around in front of the plane.  109's and 190's I stall in w/ as much flaps as I can and try and power through touchdown so I don't snap or torque the gear off, and Buffs and P38's get a nice unpowered glide and touchdown with a couple notches of flaps, both usually from the 109/190 angle of attack, but much more forgiving in the stall touchdown.

As for real life?  Never flown a plane in my life...  Starting to get stuff in order to get my license.  My cousin is commercail and supposed to be sending me all the books and study stuff she had for her things.  Says it'll save me a couple thousand off the top.  From there, my local field is about $140/hr last I checked for cesna flight instruction including fuel.  Hopefully someday I can have as many stripes as that guy.
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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 11:53:07 AM »
Wil3er: You will really enjoy the framerate and the graphics and force feedback are *excellent* .. in real flying :)

Also .. no one will be tryin to cherry pick yas on final :)

You *will* get the opportunity to use, more than once, the line from Aliens, somewhat paraphrased:

'How many hours do you have?'

'Actual .. or simulated?'

LOL ,.. *always* got a chuckle about that one.

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Re: Video for the flight instructors.
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 12:01:38 PM »
I like to fly just above the tree tops, no radio calls or nothing. Just fly straight in, drop some flaps, reduce speed and land.