Stuka Pilot. excellent book. link included.

[JUGgler]

When you come to realize that all major wars since the Napoleonic wars have been financed by the same group of banks, it is of less interest to discuss these issues. Armed conflict has become a charade, nothing drive nations in debt like  war. Sovereign nations are brought to their knees and become subservient to banks. These multi-national corporations have no loyalty and to them it is of lesser importance who win (some, not all) these wars. The Federal Reserve is a private entity, so is the Bank of England. The list goes on and on. Guess who own the new bank of Libya? Go figure...

Concpiracies are like buttholes, everyone has one and most of them stink!



 



JUGgler

[Dead Man Flying]

When you come to realize that all major wars since the Napoleonic wars have been financed by the same group of banks, it is of less interest to discuss these issues. Armed conflict has become a charade, nothing drive nations in debt like  war. Sovereign nations are brought to their knees and become subservient to banks. These multi-national corporations have no loyalty and to them it is of lesser importance who win (some, not all) these wars. The Federal Reserve is a private entity, so is the Bank of England. The list goes on and on. Guess who own the new bank of Libya? Go figure...

No offense, but that's preposterous.  A lecture on association versus causation is probably in order here, but I'll spare you.

[33Vortex]

Preposterous? To some I guess, but it all comes down to what perspective you choose to entertain for yourself. Naive realism perhaps? Most people are locked in it and are completely ignorant to what it means. Truth does not know the boundaries of your imagination, and is oblivious to what you consider preposterous. I'm not pretending to have all the answers, in fact I don't hold anything as absolutely true. I merely consider the possibilites and apply scientific method to my findings.

Have a good day Sir.

[Delirium]

To be blunt, 33Vortex is well known for his conspiracy theories. I had a discussion with him a few years ago, after he suggested 9-11 isn't what it appeared to be.

[Dead Man Flying]

I merely consider the possibilites and apply scientific method to my findings.

 

[grizz441]

Forget Occam.  

33Vortex's Razor: With competing hypotheses, the explanation that requires the most assumptions, the largest leaps of faith, and the largest supply of tin foil hats, is most likely the correct one.

[Krusty]

Vortex you use the idea of putting forth ideas to perhaps show the other side of it, shake up perceived norms, or whatever you want to describe it, but I fear it's more misguided than anything and doesn't come off as you intend at all.

It comes off uninformed or extremely naive. I don't mean disrespect by this, so sorry if that stings. I thought you should know. If you really want to do what you suggest I think you may need a larger philosophical background or education in the political sciences (there's a lot of related fields, though, others may apply).

[Dead Man Flying]

Vortex you use the idea of putting forth ideas to perhaps show the other side of it, shake up perceived norms, or whatever you want to describe it, but I fear it's more misguided than anything and doesn't come off as you intend at all.

He might want to start with actual facts.  The Bank of England, for example, is not a private entity.  It was, but it hasn't been for 65 years.  I can see how it would be possible to draw erroneous conclusions based on erroneous facts.

[33Vortex]

You lot seem to exclude a lot of information before reading it. Consistent with someone defending their beliefs. Selective perception a k a naive realism. Laugh as much as you want, it does not reflect upon me nearly as much as you imagine. So when did this get personal? If you were half as intelligent as you pretend to be you would not feel the need for such arrogance.

[Krusty]

Bear in mind, Vortex, I wasn't saying you were "naive realist" I was saying you were simply naive.

There is a difference.

[Krusty]

So when did this get personal? If you were half as intelligent as you pretend to be you would not feel the need for such arrogance.

Uh... asked and answered... You put forth an attempt to sound intellectual but don't pull it off. Perhaps it was the approach. Whatever the reason, your roundabout way of doing it came off as insulting, and comments like the above only cement that effect.

[coombz]

did I just see Krusty call someone out for being pretentious?