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Offline cpxxx

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Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« on: August 26, 2011, 05:49:15 AM »
 Check out this scary video set to beautiful music. It happened in South Africa. Watch as the aircraft departs just as the tandem gets in the door. It's sort of horrifying but set to music quite poetic too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jVKuFHXrHs&feature=share
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 06:15:39 AM »
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 06:25:44 AM »
damn....just...wow. had to be a fun ride in the plane while it lasted  :banana:

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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 08:47:03 AM »
Wow, that was amazing.

The pilot obviously doesn't play AH2...we all know to recover, push stick forward and apply opposite rudder.  ;)


I got a chuckle out of something in the text at the end of the video...

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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 10:43:04 AM »
Time for that guy to find a new line of work. 



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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 10:53:54 AM »
lol Pilot involved will be receiving more training.
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2011, 11:29:40 AM »
The pilot/pilots must be idiots -- OR they were intentionally spinning the airplane -- oh wait, that brings us back to the idiot part.  The guy in the right seat is wearing a uniform -- wonder if he's checking out the left seat guy?  Right seat guy has a firm grip of the glare shield.

Anyone notice they were holding full up elevator long into the spin?  Check at around the 3:50 point, there is a couple of frames showing the end of the stab/elevator.

Great shot of the camera guy in the back staring at his altimeter.

Was standing on the step of a Cessna one time when the pilot stalled the airplane, interesting ride until he recovered.  :D
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2011, 11:47:43 AM »
Elevator was not down, lons were into the spin, and rudder looked to be neutral.

It looked to me like an accidental stall/spin was turned into a teaching opportunity by the instructor who was in the right seat or that spin would have been recovered right away.

I'm not sure the right seat guy knew they still had skydivers still on board until he glanced back.

I like how the last skydiver out gestured "wtf" and was obviously asking them if they had things under control before he left.
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2011, 11:49:21 AM »
The pilot/pilots must be idiots -- OR they were intentionally spinning the airplane -- oh wait, that brings us back to the idiot part.  The guy in the right seat is wearing a uniform -- wonder if he's checking out the left seat guy?  Right seat guy has a firm grip of the glare shield.

Anyone notice they were holding full up elevator long into the spin?  Check at around the 3:50 point, there is a couple of frames showing the end of the stab/elevator.


Yeah, kinda my thought process also. Intentionally spinning an aircraft with skydivers in the back and the door open has the option for all kinds of bad things to happen, not to mention a gross lack of judgement on the part of both pilots.



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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2011, 01:17:48 PM »
intentional spin with the sky and  aircraft full of skydivers.  they should both have their tickets pulled.   I hope one of the sky divers explained to them his displeasure upon their safe landing.
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2011, 02:08:48 PM »
intense! I like how the sky diver in the yellow looked pretty calm :P Good stuff. :P
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2011, 02:26:24 PM »
damn....just...wow. had to be a fun ride in the plane while it lasted  :banana:




more like a stomach twisting, head screwing ride.   :O
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2011, 02:33:26 PM »
Sounds like fun, lol.

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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2011, 06:13:50 PM »
Wow, that was amazing.

The pilot obviously doesn't play AH2...we all know to recover, push stick forward and apply opposite rudder.  ;)


I don't know the specific about the AL-60, but some aircraft are very hard if not next to impossible to recover. So forward stick, opposite rudder, & cut throttle might be a general procedure that works most of the time, in some aircraft you will have very hard time getting out of a spin, might even have to jump.
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Re: Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2011, 08:35:13 AM »
I wonder too was it a characteristic of the Atlas Kudu in terms of the delayed spin recovery, that one seems to be a turbine conversion which might have altered the characteristics. But lack of currency with spins might have been a factor. Later in the video, not does there appear to be some up elevator, I think I can see up aileron on the inside wing. Any aileron input would only exacerbate the situation. I have practised plenty of spins over the years but not all pilots now days are even allowed by their Instructors to carry out a spin. On that point I don't think the uniformed guy is an Instructor, just some pilot along for the ride. I often have visiting pilots beside me. Airline Captains sometimes.

I would guess the spin happened because he was a bit slow but stable only for the cameraman hanging on door and the tandem moving rearward to induce some yaw and add a bit of rearward CofG and wham, departure. I often have to correct yaw when a big guy gets out and hangs on.

The closest I came to that when early on in my diverdriving career. My bird all but stalled when all the skydivers rushed the door after I'd let it get a teeny bit slow. There was a lot of wing waving but I controlled it. Lesson learned.
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