Cutting Engines Mid Flight

[B-17]

I saw a comment about the B-36 being able to restart its turbines.

Yes, it could. I'm quite sure that they used them for takeoff, and for the climbout to altitude, and then shut them down. They may or may not have turned them back on for the landing sequence, for reverse thrust (?) But those are turbines, not piston engines. I also think there were starters for some of the engines, as the OP mentioned. Maybe, once your engine cuts out, it starts a timer for... I don't know, 10 seconds? 30? Something, because eventually the fuel will drain from the lines, no?

[Puma44]

Still can't help but feel as though realism goes out the window when people do it. No big issue, just...awkward.

It's still realistic to be able to shut an engine down in flight.  It's just illogical to do so.  Perhaps if HT modified the code so that at random times the engine would not  restart after an inflight shutdown, it would more accurately reflect real world possibilities.  

To draw a parrallel, would it make sense to turn your car ignition off while cruising down the interstate in heavy traffic at 75 mph?  Yes, you can do it at will but, common sense, logic, and a sense of survival prevails with the vast majority of people.

[Krusty]

To draw a parrallel, would it make sense to turn your car ignition off while cruising down the interstate in heavy traffic at 75 mph?  Yes, you can do it at will but, common sense, logic, and a sense of survival prevails with the vast majority of people.

The threat here is nto that the engine starter will fail nor that your engine will be damaged, but rather crashing and dying in a horrible 100-car pile-up.

Apples and oranges. Now imagine a totally free sky with no collisions around, plenty of airspeed over the wings, and no damage or anything.

IMO it's really not an issue. It wasn't done for a reason, but that reason wasn't because of the "engine won't start back up"...

[Puma44]

Ya missed again, Krusty.

[Krusty]

Puma you're stating a point that isn't true (the engine wouldn't start up) and them mixing your comparisons to explain why it's bad.

It's a non-issue. It happens all the time every day. If the engine starts up on the ground to get you OFF the ground, it will start up in midflight, so long as it's not shot up and as long as it was in good condition to begin with.

AH starts every sortie as if you are in good flight-worthy condition. We don't have random BS engine failures like Ubisoft or TW games.

It's a non issue you keep pushing for.


EDIT: I do agree it wasn't common, but for different reasons. Practical reasons. Not technical failure reasons.

[Puma44]

It's a non-issue. It happens all the time every day. If the engine starts up on the ground to get you OFF the ground, it will start up in midflight, so long as it's not shot up and as long as it was in good condition to begin with.

It's a non issue you keep pushing for.

You are so intent on being right all the time, you miss the point.  I'm not pushing for any issue.  I'm trying to inject some logic and realism into the orginal "cutting engines mid flight" question.  HT owns the game and does what he sees fit, that is unless you have an under the table agreement with HT and tell him what to do also.

In game, engines quit running because they are combat damaged, run out of fuel, or the player chooses to shut it(them) down.

In real world, engines quit running because they are combat damaged, run out of fuel, the pilot chooses to shut it (them) down, there is a random mechanical failure, fuel contaimination, etc, etc, etc.

My attempt is to try and add to the conversation with some real world experience and provide some reasoning for not shutting down and engine vs using piloting skills in an air combat situation.

You are so intent on being "King Krusty", never admitting to being wrong, and talking down to everyone, that you miss the true intent and meaning of what is being discussed.  You seem to be the only one in this discussion that can't get down off your high horse, relax, and consider what others have to say without going on the attack.  

Is that simple enough for you?

[Krusty]

Puma you've had a chip on your shoulder against me for quite some time so I am used to your insulting demeanor. I suspect it stems back quite some time from the AvA forum with you and a select group of other malcontents that like to snipe at me.

However your opinions shouldn't be trolled all over the forums. Please reign in the insult factor.

My attempt is to try and add to the conversation with some real world experience and provide some reasoning for not shutting down and engine vs using piloting skills in an air combat situation.

Fair enough. I missed that distinction through the changing tone of this thread. For all general reasons in WW2 we agree it shouldn't have been done, but if you move on to "it couldn't be done" by some chance, that's a whole other conversation.

[Puma44]

There again you are wrong, Krusty.  Name calling doesn't make you right.  Your pompous attitude is well known in the forums.

You seem to have wealth of historical knowledge to contribute and that's a great thing.  But, your method of talking down to others diminishes your contribution.

[Karnak]

Still can't help but feel as though realism goes out the window when people do it. No big issue, just...awkward.

Realism also goes out the window when a Typhoon follows its bombs into its target so the player can up another Typhoon faster....

[B-17]

It's true.

Puma? Krusty?

Please kindly take it somewhere else. I'm on the forums to discuss Aces High, military history, and random things with people that actually value my opinion sometimes. Not to watch people accusing others of doing acting like this, or saying stuff like that.

Sorry if this seems like "backseat moderating" but I'm just sharing my opinion, and attempting to be polite abou tit.

I'm 15 by the way. Just if you need some perspective.

[Puma44]

It's true.

Puma? Krusty?

Please kindly take it somewhere else. I'm on the forums to discuss Aces High, military history, and random things with people that actually value my opinion sometimes. Not to watch people accusing others of doing acting like this, or saying stuff like that.

Sorry if this seems like "backseat moderating" but I'm just sharing my opinion, and attempting to be polite abou tit.

I'm 15 by the way. Just if you need some perspective.

My intent was/is to contribute to the discussion.  I never intend to insult anyone. It's not in my nature.  But, I won't be talked down to when trying to contribute to a conversation. .

[Messiah]

It was done a lot more back in the day. One of the best pilots was SNIPER(not the current one ingame). IIRC he said he was left handed and used numpad for views so it was not practical to reach around the joystick for the throttle. It became obsolete(pretty much) when they added the option to map a key to 0% throttle and map one to 100% throttle which is what I used for a long time. Now I use the CH right toe brake for throttle(axis inverted) and numpad for views with CH combatstick, wonder if anyone else does/thought of this? 

[VonMessa]

I believe he's referring to the practice of cutting off an engine mid-dogfight using the sudden increase in drag to force an overshoot.

I just stick my head and arms out of the cockpit and open my mouth...

[W7LPNRICK]

some engines will not continue free-wheeling, forever, during flight with the ignition off. Like the old shotgun shell started cartridge types, if the engine stopped you might have trouble IMO. I'm not Flight mechanic...but if it's turning fast enough and still hot, it should fire. 

[morfiend]

It was done a lot more back in the day. One of the best pilots was SNIPER(not the current one ingame). IIRC he said he was left handed and used numpad for views so it was not practical to reach around the joystick for the throttle. It became obsolete(pretty much) when they added the option to map a key to 0% throttle and map one to 100% throttle which is what I used for a long time. Now I use the CH right toe brake for throttle(axis inverted) and numpad for views with CH combatstick, wonder if anyone else does/thought of this? 

 Yes and I suspect it's being done ingame today for much the same reason,well the lefthanded thing may be a small percentage but plenty of players use the keyboard for most of the commands,it's just easier to press E to get the results you want than it is to use the 2 keys for throttle.

  I asked a player just the other day why he was doing this and he said his throttle quit working on his joystick,so there may be several reasons player do this.


 If you ask me the only problem I see with shutting the engine down is the time it takes to restart and get power again,this certainly takes longer than chopping throttle and applying full throttle again.


   YMMV