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Re: CAP and all you other mechanics....
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2011, 04:44:42 PM »
Yes they are no fun.  Luckily I'm blessed with living in an area where VW/Audi vehicles are extremely rare.  This is a big Toyota, Honda, and Ford town!

 what i am blessed with, is a fellow flight club member, who owns a shop about 3 miles from me. he must ba a sick bastage, as he likes doing these......so i've talked with him, and will be shipping any of these to him.

 i mostly seem to get toyotas, hyundais, fords, chevys, and nissans.
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Re: CAP and all you other mechanics....
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2011, 05:55:21 PM »
CAP, you posted and im all of a sudden getting an edumacation on how to do things  :lol

in all seriousness, ill see ifi can get a see at my valves moving when i take off the cap, otherwise ill put in my new headstuds after i take the cover off (still have a broken one frrom a few months back. had no time, nor the tools to bore out the bolt holes [got some ARP head studs, all that were availble] and put them in. now is my excuse....  :devil)

my dad seems to think it could be my fuel pump, so ill have a buddy bring me over or my dad have a listen when i turn the key to ON.

irregardless of the issue, im not overly thrilled about it. hard to get to work, school and EMT class with no car  :uhoh

 if you're gonna try it yourself, i'll pm ya diagrams with the timing marks, and what ever else ya need.

 if you do need and put a belt on it, it would be a good idea to do the water pump too.
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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2011, 06:15:00 PM »
if you're gonna try it yourself, i'll pm ya diagrams with the timing marks, and what ever else ya need.

 if you do need and put a belt on it, it would be a good idea to do the water pump too.
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Re: CAP and all you other mechanics....
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2011, 06:18:23 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2011, 07:46:30 PM »
please and thank you sir.  :rock :salute :cheers:
this is what i have here....i have an actual book(can ya believe itr?!) with better detail at the shop. i'll snap a photo, and get ya the specific order, and the alignment marks.
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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2011, 10:06:00 PM »
to hijack my own thread... assuming in a perfect world i get my car all patched up and in good running order and trade it in for 2,000 i may be lookin at a new Fiat 500C. anyone have any expierence with them? back in the late 60's early 70's my dad had a Fiat 124 Sport Coupe and he said it was an amazingly fun car to drive, not assuming anyone here has expierence with the 124 Sport Coupe and a new 500C... but im looking for anything people have heard about them. a 60 month payment at 414 a month i could do right now with my job (but im risking paying for fuel each month unless i dig into my penny jar. wouldnt leave me money for cigs either.. perfect reason to quit other then doing it for my own benefit. :D). that all aside, come summer time i could easily afford it. this is all assuming those that have driven or heard things about the 500C approve of it. its a new car on the market, so im a little hesitant to jump into it if i do go this route. we all know how new things on the market are....
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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2011, 10:56:25 PM »
i think there's a couple guys in here that may have fiat experience. i think that is one i've never worked on.
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2011, 01:23:09 AM »
Just an FYI, you can pick up a fuel pressure tester pretty cheap and it is a GREAT addition to any tool box. It's often just a schrader valve on the fuel rail.  All you do is screw it on and watch the gauge.  Saves a LOT of putsing around with the fuel pump, especially if it is in tank.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM187896396P?blockNo=1&blockType=G1&prdNo=1&i_cntr=1315117419639

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Re: CAP and all you other mechanics....
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2011, 01:32:53 AM »
to hijack my own thread... assuming in a perfect world i get my car all patched up and in good running order and trade it in for 2,000 i may be lookin at a new Fiat 500C. anyone have any expierence with them? back in the late 60's early 70's my dad had a Fiat 124 Sport Coupe and he said it was an amazingly fun car to drive, not assuming anyone here has expierence with the 124 Sport Coupe and a new 500C... but im looking for anything people have heard about them. a 60 month payment at 414 a month i could do right now with my job (but im risking paying for fuel each month unless i dig into my penny jar. wouldnt leave me money for cigs either.. perfect reason to quit other then doing it for my own benefit. :D). that all aside, come summer time i could easily afford it. this is all assuming those that have driven or heard things about the 500C approve of it. its a new car on the market, so im a little hesitant to jump into it if i do go this route. we all know how new things on the market are....

It's not that new, just new to the US of A.  The boys on Top Gear UK love that car.

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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2011, 08:48:30 AM »
Just an FYI, you can pick up a fuel pressure tester pretty cheap and it is a GREAT addition to any tool box. It's often just a schrader valve on the fuel rail.  All you do is screw it on and watch the gauge.  Saves a LOT of putsing around with the fuel pump, especially if it is in tank.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM187896396P?blockNo=1&blockType=G1&prdNo=1&i_cntr=1315117419639
buddy has a fuel pressure tester. probably gonna hook it up tonight when i get out of work if  my dad and i cant narrow it down the old fashioned way of look and listen  :D.

It's not that new, just new to the US of A.  The boys on Top Gear UK love that car.
did not know this, interesting.
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« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2011, 10:29:32 AM »
So, my dad and I tried to start it today for chits and giggles. It almost starts, then dies out immediatly. Its as if its getting fuel but then as it starts it doesn't have an adequete fuel supply. Clogged hose fuel line possibly? if the fuel lines aren't clogged, couldn't it be the ignition module isn't giving my spark plugs enough spark to keep it going? I didn't hear my fjel pump, my dad didn't nor did my buddy whose house its ar, but it must be getting fuel, no? the valves are also moving, checked those too.
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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2011, 11:12:54 AM »
So, my dad and I tried to start it today for chits and giggles. It almost starts, then dies out immediatly. Its as if its getting fuel but then as it starts it doesn't have an adequete fuel supply. Clogged hose fuel line possibly? if the fuel lines aren't clogged, couldn't it be the ignition module isn't giving my spark plugs enough spark to keep it going? I didn't hear my fjel pump, my dad didn't nor did my buddy whose house its ar, but it must be getting fuel, no? the valves are also moving, checked those too.

ok, try this. and wear safety glasses.

1) remove fuel filler cap, place funnel in the filler neck, put your ear at the opening,  and have someone cycle the key to the run position. you should hear a hum for about 2 seconds. if not, then have they cycle the key off, then try cranking the engine, while you're still listening.  you should hear the humming. if you hear it humming, then your pump, and all of its associated electrical/electronics are ok.
   A) if you don't hear the fuel pump running, then check all fuses. there should be 2 fuse boxes. one under the hood, and one under the dash, in the drivers side kick panel. also check the fuel pump relay, which should be in the underhood fuse box. if all fuses, and relays are good, then you're probably looking at a fuel pump. you can verify this, by removing the air intake tube from the throttle body, open the throttle, spray some carb. cleaner in the intake, replace the intake tube(for maf sensor), and crank the engine. it should start for a second. if it does, then fuel pump is the answer. also, don't forget to check the fuel filter.

 
 2)if it didn't start for a moment above, then remove a spark plug wire, stick a screw driver in it, hold the metal part, and have someone crank the engine.  :devil  :rofl  don't do it that way....that was the voices in my head. stick a screw driver in the plug wire, and lay it near something metal, then have someone crank the engine. you should see spark jump the gap. it should be capable of at least 1/4 of an inch.
 if you've got no spark, it could be a number of things.
 crahkshaft position sensor
camshaft position sensor
distributor(it's been awhile, but if i recall, those sensors are located in the distributor)
blown fuse(you didn't skip checking them in the first step, did ya?)
 if you've got good spark, good fuel supply, and you're sure it's not an internal mechanical problem, you would be looking at a bad computer(doubtful, as i've no recolection of ever replacing a mazda computer, and ford computers rarely go bad, although there will be one along shortly to tell you i'm wrong here) or that timing belt.
 a quick check on the timing belt can be done, by finding the 2 highest bolts(10mm heads) on the timing cover, and pull it back. look at the slack between the cams. if it's excessive, the belt probably jumped.
 use a flashlight to shine down inside the cover, and try to see the teeth. if you can't, have someone "bump" the engine a couple of times, as you look at the teeth. i think you may find some missing.

 there's other things it could be, but i just got up, and typed this up real quick. hope it helps some?

 
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Re: CAP and all you other mechanics....
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2011, 04:19:08 PM »
So, my dad and I tried to start it today for chits and giggles. It almost starts, then dies out immediatly. Its as if its getting fuel but then as it starts it doesn't have an adequete fuel supply. Clogged hose fuel line possibly? if the fuel lines aren't clogged, couldn't it be the ignition module isn't giving my spark plugs enough spark to keep it going? I didn't hear my fjel pump, my dad didn't nor did my buddy whose house its ar, but it must be getting fuel, no? the valves are also moving, checked those too.


 MaSonZ,    did you check the fuel pressure as was suggested?  this will tell you if the fuel supply is adequate,you could have a bad fuel filter,clogged,this is a relatively cheap repair.

  As for the fiat,we've had them here in Canada for a year or two and well they're serviced at Dodge dealers so I'd be somewhat wary. I'm surprized that you've had so many problems with the Mazda,they're good cars,even if they cost abit more to repair.

    Look at it this way,how much will the fiat cost per year,include everything,then find out what it costs to maintain the Mazda. Then bank the difference and in a couple years you'll be able to buy whatever you want!  I kept my last car on the road for 13 years,the last 5 years only cost fuel and insurance!  I just got a new car........ no payments!!!



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« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2011, 07:30:25 PM »
II have a buddy who ha a fuel pressure gauge, but I need to find a day when he's free and im free. It is lookin like I have a fuel pressure problem. I don't have a fuel filter on my car as far as I know. I've gone to a couple napa stores and a local small business auto store and none of the, @ould find a fuel filter for it anywhere. Maybe cap can shine some light and tell me whether this is so or not.

As for finding the yearly cost... I've put in an average of 6kthe a year for my car. If I do the fiat route just for payments I would be paying 4932. Gets the fuel economy, but on high test fuel... so I would be paying a little more there. Insurance would be the breaking point. Right now im around 2kschool a year for insurance I believe for my car. Don't have a quote for the fiat if I do it.
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Re: CAP and all you other mechanics....
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2011, 09:29:01 PM »
II have a buddy who ha a fuel pressure gauge, but I need to find a day when he's free and im free. It is lookin like I have a fuel pressure problem. I don't have a fuel filter on my car as far as I know. I've gone to a couple napa stores and a local small business auto store and none of the, @ould find a fuel filter for it anywhere. Maybe cap can shine some light and tell me whether this is so or not.

As for finding the yearly cost... I've put in an average of 6kthe a year for my car. If I do the fiat route just for payments I would be paying 4932. Gets the fuel economy, but on high test fuel... so I would be paying a little more there. Insurance would be the breaking point. Right now im around 2kschool a year for insurance I believe for my car. Don't have a quote for the fiat if I do it.

 what got you to the point of thinking fuel pressure?


 the fuel filter on this car should either be on the firewall, or underneath the car, near the tank. it should still have one though, although some cars do not anymore.
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