Next scenario, Enemy Coast Ahead, RAF vs. LW

[BaldEagl]

Damn.  Mid-afternoon.  Well, maybe next time.

[gyrene81]

I know it's not K4s but G6s can do the job

against spit9s? not unless the spits can be dragged down under 22k. will be interesting to see the aircraft lineup.

[Shane]

against spit9s? not unless the spits can be dragged down under 22k. will be interesting to see the aircraft lineup.

sigh...   

from the rules writeup:

A strong downwind will be enabled at 26k ft.
B-25's and Ju 88's may not fly higher than 20k ft.

As for the spit9 v 109g6... decent matchup that gets real interesting in the 12-20k alt range, with both trading speed/climb and wep advantages. The bigger variable will be if the G6's are allowed/forced gondies.

I'd say from experience, spits vs their contemporary 109 opponent is usually a decent matchup. Let's not forget "tactics" either - yanno? 

[IrishOne]

i'll be there in a 190

[DrBone1]

A5s all the way. 

[Guppy35]

against spit9s? not unless the spits can be dragged down under 22k. will be interesting to see the aircraft lineup.

It's as even a fight as is possible as the airwar was in 43 over France.  If you grumble about this match up, there is no match up that will please you

[IrishOne]

It's as even a fight as is possible as the airwar was in 43 over France.  If you grumble about this match up, there is no match up that will please you

QFT

[Brooke]

We have Spit IX's, Spit V's, Typhoons, Mossies, and B-25C's vs. Bf 109G-6's, FW 190A-5's, FW 190F-8's, and Ju 88's.

We heavily bias the plane set to putting in what aircraft were actually there.  Even if we didn't, there are no scenarios that have the same plane set on each side, so there are going to be disparities.  However, in scenarios, it depends more on the mix of aircraft, the strategies and tactics of the sides, and that the fights are often many on many than how any one particular plane stacks up vs. any other one particular plane.  In this case, the team feels it's close enough (consider Zeros vs. P-40's; Bf 109G-6's and FW 190A's vs. P-51's, P-47's, and P-38's at 34k alt; La-5's vs. 109K-4's; etc. -- and those work out fine in a scenario environment).

Also, I keep in mind that, in real life, folks flew these aircraft and did well in them -- so it can be done.

Me, I will probably be in a FW 190A-5 and have been flying them in the MA for practice.  

[B4Buster]

We have Spit IX's, Spit V's, Typhoons, Mossies, and B-25C's vs. Bf 109G-6's, FW 190A-5's, FW 190F-8's, and Ju 88's.

We heavily bias the plane set to putting in what aircraft were actually there.  Even if we didn't, there are no scenarios that have the same plane set on each side, so there are going to be disparities.  However, in scenarios, it depends more on the mix of aircraft, the strategies and tactics of the sides, and that the fights are often many on many than how any one particular plane stacks up vs. any other one particular plane.  In this case, the team feels it's close enough (consider Zeros vs. P-40's; Bf 109G-6's and FW 190A's vs. P-51's, P-47's, and P-38's at 34k alt; La-5's vs. 109K-4's; etc. -- and those work out fine in a scenario environment).

Also, I keep in mind that, in real life, folks flew these aircraft and did well in them -- so it can be done.

Me, I will probably be in a FW 190A-5 and have been flying them in the MA for practice.  

Well said. The scenario environment is a different beast. Often times, I find aircraft that may not do so well in the MA, shine in Scenarios when flown to their strengths, and vice versa.

[gyrene81]

sigh...    

from the rules writeup:

A strong downwind will be enabled at 26k ft.
B-25's and Ju 88's may not fly higher than 20k ft.

As for the spit9 v 109g6... decent matchup that gets real interesting in the 12-20k alt range, with both trading speed/climb and wep advantages. The bigger variable will be if the G6's are allowed/forced gondies.

I'd say from experience, spits vs their contemporary 109 opponent is usually a decent matchup. Let's not forget "tactics" either - yanno?  

bite me shane. true the real interesting fights are going to be 12-20k, but i know what typically happens in these special events, the alt limits get pushed as far as they can and at 25k the ah version of the 109g6 starts wallowing like a pig in mud where the spit9 is turning into a thoroughbred. anyone who has spent any real time in ah spits knows it too.

Also, I keep in mind that, in real life, folks flew these aircraft and did well in them -- so it can be done.

no offense brooke the cm's do a great job putting events together and i realize it's as even as can be had within ah, but real life 109 pilots were also known to turn tail and run before a fight could occur when they believed they could not win.

[Big Rat]

Replace some of the G6's with G2's and I would be much more tempted, right now G6's vs Spit9's at 25k, ehh..

 
BigRat

[AKKuya]

It seems that a few are stressing the spit vs 109 match-up.  Has those individuals looked at the the frame objectives and map?  Depending on the two oppossing CO's battleplans per individual frame, how often will these two planes out of the entire planeset actually meet at the same altitude and in equal numbers?

It will happen but the fluidity of war will create unique situations that many will call the glorious battles of RAF vs LW.  Only the victors of those unique situations will say that.

[JOACH1M]

About as even as it can get IMO, the typh is a crap altitude planes a5's should pound them while the g6's have there handful with spit9's 

[Guppy35]

bite me shane. true the real interesting fights are going to be 12-20k, but i know what typically happens in these special events, the alt limits get pushed as far as they can and at 25k the ah version of the 109g6 starts wallowing like a pig in mud where the spit9 is turning into a thoroughbred. anyone who has spent any real time in ah spits knows it too.


no offense brooke the cm's do a great job putting events together and i realize it's as even as can be had within ah, but real life 109 pilots were also known to turn tail and run before a fight could occur when they believed they could not win.

So building in an edge for the 109 pilots is the only way they'll play?  Did you read the write up at all?  If flying at the top alt limit is all you've got in mind, you are going to miss most of the fight.

In an ideal world, we'd have a Spitfire LFIX since that's what the 11 Group Spits were flying in 43 as the fights were in the 15-25K range and the LFIX performed best.  We'd also have the Spit XII and Spit VII to fly escort and high cover.  But we don't so going with the FIX was appropriate and since the G6 appears to be the main 109 of the time.....

[Brooke]

Folks, we talked it over and put in the following changes.

-- Two 109 groups can fly g-6's or g-2's, whichever they prefer.  It is not unreasonable to think that there were at least some g-2's still around.
-- Downwind was moved to 24k.  Originally, we had thought 25k is about right, but the arena allows winds only at 2k increments.  We initially picked 26k, but 24k is just as good historically.