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Offline pervert

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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2011, 06:14:56 PM »
then is it really the people who fly Luftwaffe planes that suck?

Yup  :old:  :)

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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2011, 06:31:27 PM »
Yup  :old:  :)

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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2011, 06:32:45 PM »
Yup  :old:  :)
Luft players sukk the biggest one, especially the g-6 pilots.
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2011, 08:04:53 PM »
Luft players sukk the biggest one, especially the g-6 pilots.

And this is news? :)

I'll be looking for G-6s in the Scenario upcoming.  I'll be the out dated Spit Vb pilot in the 91 Squadron markings :)
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2011, 08:22:10 PM »
Note the last sentence of the document.
AH A-8 has always had this auxiliary fuel tank.
640 litres, 169 US gallons of internal fuel.
that doesn't quite add up according to the table on that page. look at the fuel capacities again.

forward fuel - 51.1 gallons
rear fuel - 64.4 gallons
auxilliary fuselage - 25.3 gallons

total = 140.8

where is the extra 28.2 gallons?

could that be the reason the a8 is like a flying pig compared to the a5 and even the f8?
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2011, 10:32:34 PM »
Again, based on what? 

You could see vapor trails coming off the Jugs wingtips, meaning he was pulling pretty hard.  How hard?  Unknown.  Ultimately, we don't even know the results of the combat, other than the FW190 got some hits in.  Obviously there were moments where the Jug was "out-turning" the FW190, and other times when the 190 was getting temporary angles on the Jug.  That being said, there's nothing conclusive to be drawn from that video, other than they were both turning very hard in what appeared to be a pretty even fight.
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2011, 04:56:15 AM »
We know how fuel weight affects turning. Somebody please post the amount of fuel they have in the video.  :devil

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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2011, 08:05:47 AM »
total = 140.8

where is the extra 28.2 gallons?


640 litres = 140.8 imperial(UK) gallons = 169 US gallons.

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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2011, 08:43:49 AM »
The fundamental flaw with this argument is that most players don't have success period. Luche had a post awhile ago that stated the avg k/d was .3 or something. Basically you're an allied whiner, whining about 'luft whiners'....

Would you like some 'boxed' whine with your American Cheese?


I prefer hot pepper cheese with my boxed whine. Gotta savor that spicy zest with the tears.

On the other hand, I'm kind of surprised that some of you guys took my troll posts seriously. And they weren't really good troll posts either... I guess the Luft fans really do take their planes seriously...
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2011, 09:04:22 AM »
640 litres = 140.8 imperial(UK) gallons = 169 US gallons.
no idea where you're getting the liters or the imperial gallons but, i'll just take your word for it.
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2011, 10:23:35 AM »
no idea where you're getting the liters or the imperial gallons but, i'll just take your word for it.

On that page, the gallons they're measuring in are Imperial gallons, which are larger than US gallons.  That's where the extra 28.2 comes in when you look at the display in AH, because AH would measure in US gallons.

Never made much sense to me, but you 'Merkins always gotta do things different from everyone else. ;)

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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2011, 12:08:33 PM »
liters i can easily accept but why in the world would anyone want to use "imperial gallons"?   :rolleyes:
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2011, 12:19:47 PM »
looks like war ministry test data to me (just from the format of the power settings table.) in that case why in the world would they want to use "US gallons"?  :rolleyes:


btw the clue is right there in the pdf
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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2011, 12:23:04 PM »
liters i can easily accept but why in the world would anyone want to use "imperial gallons"?   :rolleyes:

Because at the time and location that document was written, a 'gallon' meant an Imperial gallon.  At the time and location AH was created, a 'gallon' means an American gallon.

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Re: FW-190 A-8CLARIFICATION,FIX,DISPUTE
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2011, 06:06:03 PM »
I'm sticking to my guns on this - The best solution is the hardest one to implement, I think, and that is we need more late-war model 190-A series aircraft variants in the game, at some point or another, to more accurately represent the set and the wide multitude of varieties that were produced.  For comparison - Look how many '44-'45 models of P-47s we have in this game for example, and the wide variety that series was produced in during that time.

Oh, and btw, the 190-A8 we have in the game is very accurately modeled, however it is one of the heaviest production variants they produced, yet in AH it is supposed to represent a very broad spectrum of late-war-era A-models that were produced after the A-5.

+1 for any 190 love from HTCs.
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