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Offline Mano

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2011, 11:56:08 AM »
Here is a picture of Hooter, Dr7, and Hammer82 trying out the new Hellcat (from left to right)   :banana:




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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2011, 12:03:45 PM »
Since the m18 does have an open turret, and therefore very vunerable to strafing runs, would it be too much to give its name icon more of a cloak to aircraft?

Make it so aircraft could only spot it at 1k out. instead of the usual 1.5k.
just a thought.  :salute

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2011, 12:19:09 PM »
Since the m18 does have an open turret, and therefore very vunerable to strafing runs, would it be too much to give its name icon more of a cloak to aircraft?

Make it so aircraft could only spot it at 1k out. instead of the usual 1.5k.
just a thought.  :salute

so you're saying since it has an open turret, you'd be less likely to see it as compared to... oh, let's say -  another tank?  :headscratch:


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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2011, 12:31:57 PM »
so you're saying since it has an open turret, you'd be less likely to see it as compared to... oh, let's say -  another tank?  :headscratch:


well, not that.

Just give it a higher chance of survivability since the simplest of AC guns can nock its turret out.

Hiding under trees dont work very well in AH because the planes can still see the red name popping out.  :(

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2011, 12:36:16 PM »
either you change the icon settings to all gvs or to none. it is as big as the other tanks and should go by the same rules IMO. If you choose the hellcat it is your choice.
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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2011, 01:33:38 PM »
:t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t  DIE MOFOS!!!!!

Was that a Bar quake???   :uhoh

Judging from the description, we can look forward to another Jeep killing spree!!!  Depending upon how thinly armored and how vunerable to aircraft fire it is.

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2011, 02:01:26 PM »
well, not that.

Just give it a higher chance of survivability since the simplest of AC guns can nock its turret out.

Hiding under trees dont work very well in AH because the planes can still see the red name popping out.  :(

So you're saying that because it has thinner armor than some of the other tanks, it should harder to see?  :huh

So we're going to presume that thinner armor is easier to camouflage :rolleyes:

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2011, 02:15:06 PM »
 :x looking forward to zipping around in this thing!! Gonna be a blast! Who needs a jeep when you can zip around at nearly the same speed with a 76mm gun  :joystick:

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2011, 03:06:41 PM »
Imagine the poor devil that loses all his perk points when you pull up behind the King Tiger and watch him good poof !!!!!
You could literally pull around faster than he can turn his turret.

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2011, 03:41:20 PM »
wouldn't that just make it another Tank?

whats the differences between  TD and A Tank......


wait you already gave me that answer "Tank Destroyer is an armored vehicle dedicated for the destruction of other armored vehicles specifically tanks"

whereas a tank was designed to kill whatever got in its way.....


always wondered about that

what are the differences?

seems like they are just Tanks made to kill Tanks.

The difference is that a tank's main role is to support the infantry. A tank kills other tanks because the enemy tank poses a threat to the infantry (or the assault). A tank destroyer's job is simply to go out and kill other tanks
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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2011, 03:55:33 PM »
I got a question for you GV guys....


why would they call this a "Tank Destroyer"   not just this particular one, but all the "tank destroyers" are they not usually less armored, I know this one is.....I am just curious.

seems silly to call something a "Tank destroyer" when a Tank can easily kill. :headscratch:

By design, a TD was to engage enemy tanks/AFV's and destroy them.  The name of the game is mobility.  By design, and infantry support vehicle was to engage enemy infantry and fixed fortifications.  Because the roles were so different and the tools needed were so different most countries split the duties.  As WWII went on, it was apparent that a tank could be and should be able to do both jobs satisfactory.  I think the Panzer IV H, or perhaps an earlier version with the long barreled 7.5cm cannon was the first "MBT" in WWII.  Once WWII was over and the Cold War began, the "Main Battle Tank" concept took right off and the TD role was elevated to the skies.  ;)

The other thing to keep in mind is that usually the TD design was meant for TD'ing first and foremost, and infantry support was a distant secondary thought.  Case in point: the US 76mm M1A1 cannon found in the M4A3 and M18, the HE is rather weak in comparison vs the US 75mm cannon but the AP ability was quite superior.  However, the 75mm was designed from the beginning as an infantry support cannon (origins prior to WWI, iirc), as was the Sherman M4 tank.  It was the TD units job to destroy tanks, not the 75mm Shermans.  The British would have 1 Firefly TD move in behind a rank of Cromwells and Shermans, once a German tank was spotted the Firefly was brought forward and they engaged the German tanks, not the Cromwells and Shermans.  Ever notice the Firefly does not have a hull MG (not needing it is only part of the story, but still)?  
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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2011, 05:59:35 PM »
ya...no...everything you guys wrote and the other responses are the extent of my knowledge of tanks :rofl

all I knew before was...they were big...heavy...slow.....and carried a big stick :rofl

thax for info...can never have enough knowledge  :old:

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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2011, 06:30:51 PM »
I hope someopne sedated bar....he's probably tearing down a local watering hole atm
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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2011, 09:23:05 AM »
I hope someopne sedated bar....he's probably tearing down a local watering hole atm

Oh if you only knew...
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Re: M-18 Hellcat
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2011, 10:32:39 AM »
well, not that.

Just give it a higher chance of survivability since the simplest of AC guns can nock its turret out.

Hiding under trees dont work very well in AH because the planes can still see the red name popping out.  :(

No.  The Achilles heel of the M18 is its lack or armored protection from any angle. I dont even have to worry about this getting implemented, HTC isnt going to change the icon setting for 1 gv.  They are stuck on the 6000 yard icon for air/ground to air and the 2000 yard icon for air to ground.  The fact that the icon setting has been the same for so long in the MA does not give me much hope for it to change.  If anything I'd like to see both reduced, especially the air to ground icon.  The human eye can barely tell the make and model of a particular car at 400 yards away while it sits still.  Moving at 200mph+, searching for a camouflaged gv, I can not imagine being able to so easily see said ground target.  At 5000ft above a road in a Cesspool 150, I know I can see the difference between a semi-tractor, a pick-up truck, and a Handa Civic, but they are brightly colored and on a road.   
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