Dewoitine D.520

[Eric19]

I think ever plane that served in WWII should be included no matter how little it played a role in the actual War so krusty it meets the criteria so bug off plz just cause you don't like an aircraft doesn't mean it won't get added

[Debrody]

Lets all .ignore Krusty's smarteggtastic lamentation  
Come on HTC, this plane definiately worths to be in the next poll, as the longest serving french aircraft of the WW2  

oh and if someone, i am anti-french 

[Bruv119]

nuke and debrody agreeing, 

mardi gras !    lets all FLY IT!!! 

viva la francais! 

[Butcher]

Does it come with secondary white flag instead of bombs?

[SmokinLoon]

Does it come with secondary white flag instead of bombs?

Doesn't that BS ever get old?  Those of us who know the history understand fully that it wasn't the French military that folded, it was the total lack of action of the French government that gave France to the Germans.  Give the French military their due, they didn't do any worse than any other military in their initial defense vs the Germans.

[Noir]

Doesn't that BS ever get old?  Those of us who know the history understand fully that it wasn't the French military that folded, it was the total lack of action of the French government that gave France to the Germans.  Give the French military their due, they didn't do any worse than any other military in their initial defense vs the Germans.

To be fair the defence layout planned by the military was terrible, they thought the German would never come across Belgium. They had WW1 heroes at command, that were still using WW1 tactics, like most countries except germany. Paris was taken without the men being defeated.

IMO The white flag jokes came with the 2nd Gulf war, and the refusal of the french to participate. Fox news did a very nice job at brainwashing people then, and the name stuck. but that's out of subject here.

[Megalodon]

Megalodon, read up a bit more on the actual use and production of the craft. Africa and Battle of France is basically it. And its use in both was very limited. Saying 700 built isn't accurate as you imply 700 served. Despite massive ramp-ups in production only 3 groups had them at the time of France's surrender at BoF, and only a small number of second-tier-units had them in Africa. The Bf109 was still the main force for German fighter power.

I love it when he says read up, I must read differently than he does  

5 groups is the magic number



yes I'm sorry by 27 June 1940 438 had been distributed to the army and the navy by the 31st of Dec 1942 the total production of D.520's was around 775 not 700 my mistake.

I have GC's I/1, I/3, II/1, II/3, II/5, II/6, II/7, III/3, III/7 and III/9 as units <10> in total and a couple unofficial

And AC1, AC2

[Krusty]

I love it when he says read up, I must read differently than he does  

5 is the magic number

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yes I'm sorry by 27 June 1940 438 had been distributed to the army and the navy by the 31st of Dec 1942 the total production of D.520's was around 775 not 700 my mistake.

I have GC's I/1, I/3, II/1, II/3, II/5, II/6, II/7, III/3, III/7 and III/9 as groups <10> in total and a couple unofficial

Reading comprehension fail on your part.

That's 3 groups. Group I, Group II, and Group III.

Also read more for you utter disblief that they only fought in 2 major areas (Africa/BoF).

As for numbers, in April only the 139th plane had been built. It took all that time from 1939 to April 1940 just to iron out production problems and retooling for the latest variant (previous versions being rejected by the French). By June, when the armistace was signed, only some 400 and change were built. Keep in mind that's total BUILT, not used. Many were early models, returned to factory for a lenghty rebuild to newer standards, which never saw combat.

G.C.I/3 was the first unit to get them, and it wasn't even fully equipped with D.520s until MAY 1940. That's 1 month before armistace. Also, 4 months behind schedule. In May itself, they managed to produce only 100 of the type. In June they were ramping up to reach rates as high as 10 per day, but again, armistace.

By june 437 had been built, only 403 delivered. Don't make the mistake, however, of claiming 403 saw combat. When the Germans invaded only one group had any, and that was G.C.I/3. In such a short time span a few planes may have been flown in other units, but it was not a fast process. Training, familiarization, and infrastructure/support had to be implemented with each new plane. Of the 3 Groups that had the D.520, the transitions were not overnight.

So while those groups got kills, at what point were they FULLY converted to D.520, as opposed to 5 planes here, 5 Moraine Sulners there?

Its presence in the war was minimal, no matter how you look at it.

[Megalodon]

How many D.520's served and fought?

How many 152's served and fought?

How many B-239 served and fought?

How many F4UC served and fought?

Your argument is deaf 

[Krusty]

No, your argument is a straw man. You've done this repeatedly. You ignore all the facts and details and can't even admit you didn't read the chart YOU posted properly. Also look at the dates "first on hand" in that chart... Most are in may. Some are in june! The armistace was also in June.

You're plugging your ears and screaming at the top of your lungs hoping volume can sway fact. It can't.

[Megalodon]

No, your argument is a straw man. You've done this repeatedly. You ignore all the facts and details and can't even admit you didn't read the chart YOU posted properly. Also look at the dates "first on hand" in that chart... Most are in may. Some are in june! The armistace was also in June.

You're plugging your ears and screaming at the top of your lungs hoping volume can sway fact. It can't.

this is the same argument you made with the P-51 and your wrong again....

I did make the mistake of calling them groups instead of units ...oversight.

Btw GC I/3 started deliveries of the D.520 on April 17 thru May 7

[Krusty]

Another straw man. You're totally ignoring the facts that seemingly only 1 squadron fully converted to the type in the closing month of hostilities. It took that squadron 4 months LONGER than anticipated to do so. The rest barely got started on conversion and the war is over for them. Of the scattered/mixed units that flew the 520, they did shoot down planes. However not nearly as much as the main frontline fighters of the war.

1000 M.S.405/406 were produced before March of 1940. They were the premiere French fighter and carried the brunt of the fighting. They had 16 GROUPS fully equipped. 12 of these fully equipped groups fought against the Luftwaffe.

Well over 300 kills were earned by French Hawk 75s (P-36 exports). The total is put somewhere around 1000 for all French kills. In fact Hawk 75s scored the first allied kills in WW2, shooting down 109Es [EDIT: P.S. This was in September 1939 with G.C.II/4]. With around only 12% of the total air force by number, the hawks downed about a third of all enemy craft. 7 out of the 11 French aces flew hawks for their victories.

You're major vocal shriek-fest here is the equivelant of crying for a P-80 shooting star because it was the bestest!1!!11! and completely ignoring all the facts about its actual participation. In this case the D.520 was such a minor player in the BoF your arguments hold no water. You want it because you think it'll turn like a spitfire and has a cannon. You don't care about the history of the events or even of the plane itself.

[Megalodon]

Another straw man. You're totally ignoring the facts that seemingly only 1 squadron fully converted to the type in the closing month of hostilities. It took that squadron 4 months LONGER than anticipated to do so. The rest barely got started on conversion and the war is over for them. Of the scattered/mixed units that flew the 520, they did shoot down planes. However not nearly as much as the main frontline fighters of the war.

1000 M.S.405/406 were produced before March of 1940. They were the premiere French fighter and carried the brunt of the fighting. They had 16 GROUPS fully equipped. 12 of these fully equipped groups fought against the Luftwaffe.

Well over 300 kills were earned by French Hawk 75s (P-36 exports). The total is put somewhere around 1000 for all French kills. In fact Hawk 75s scored the first allied kills in WW2, shooting down 109Es [EDIT: P.S. This was in September 1939 with G.C.II/4]. With around only 12% of the total air force by number, the hawks downed about a third of all enemy craft. 7 out of the 11 French aces flew hawks for their victories.

You're major vocal shriek-fest here is the equivelant of crying for a P-80 shooting star because it was the bestest!1!!11! and completely ignoring all the facts about its actual participation. In this case the D.520 was such a minor player in the BoF your arguments hold no water. You want it because you think it'll turn like a spitfire and has a cannon. You don't care about the history of the events or even of the plane itself.

Don't call me names and don't tell me what I care about please.... Doc Krusty I will put you in your seat again.

 LOL talk about shrieking I'm not ignoring anything the total number of hawk kills in BOF was 237. The MS.406 had well over 350. The Hawk replaced by the D-520.

 

[Nathan60]

[TwinBoom]

krusty is a Narr D.520 fought from the beginning to the end of the war although it didnt fights as french the whole war it still fought.
The germans loved it so they used it to train pilots . krusty please leave my thread you said u dont like it now move on and let us have it


last time i checked the hawk was an american design

Were asking for a french plane and the D.520 is it