That's Right... Just pass the Cheese over...

[swareiam]

All,

I know that you have heard this whine before. So, keep your shirt or skirt on and let me speak my piece. The La-7 should undoubtedly be perked. The only reason I didn't add this to a previous thread is because I didn't look a hard enough to find one. If the La-7 can out fly and out gun the Spitfire XIV, perk the La-7 or unperk the Spit XIV. We are talking about usual everyday LW MA flying as well. The La-7s short service record was clearly due to its unreliable engine and other general unservicability. Yet, it is one of the most powerful planes in the game. Not to mention its current popularity amongst players. How popular you ask, well let's see;

Plane Name      Kills        Deaths     Kill/Death Ratio
Spitfire Mk XVI 2389     2252       1.06
La-7               3027     2215       1.37

Wow, as popular as or more than a Spit XVI  . Okay, let's take two popular perk rides and see how their doing this month;

Plane Name      Kills        Deaths     Kill/Death Ratio
F4U-4             521       183        2.83
Tempest          454       74         6.05

Keeping in mind the units above made a more substantial contibution to winning the war for the allies, which the La-7 did not. How is the Spitfire XIV doing this month;

Plane Name      Kills        Deaths     Kill/Death Ratio
Spitfire Mk XIV  130       128        1.01

Especially seeing that the Spit XIV was a V1 chaser and not really a dogfighter like the VIII and IX. I digress, with the La-7s currently rated performance and statistics in the MA, it should be perked. If it is not to be perked, then the Spitfire XIV should loose its perk and be given to the Spitfire XVI. "Wonder planes should have a wonderful little perk on them". Closing comments; perk a plane that really deserves the respect of a perk. "Perk the La-7"...

This has been a public service announcement....

My bottle of Merlot is now empty. 

 

[SmokinLoon]

Nah, no need to perk the La7.  However, I fully support reducing the ENY of the La7 to 3, the Spit16 to 3, and the P51D to 3.  That alone will help.

The La7 is limited in its role.  No worth while ord and not enough fuel for range.

[chaser]

I think what keeps the LA-7 from being perked is it's short range on fuel.

I do agree that the Spit XIV should be unperked. The only advantage I've found it to have it it's performance at high alt. But this is AH where most fights are below 10K.

[GNucks]

Nah, no need to perk the La7.  However, I fully support reducing the ENY of the La7 to 3, the Spit16 to 3, and the P51D to 3.  That alone will help.

The La7 is limited in its role.  No worth while ord and not enough fuel for range.

P-51D to three?!

There are only two 5 ENY fighters that are not perked, and that is the P-51D and the Spitfire Mk XVI. Comparing the Pony to the rest of the 5 ENY fighters, or to the only other unperked 5 ENY plane, it is totally outclassed.



If anything, everything that's currently ENY 5 should be dropped to 3 and the P-51D can remain at ENY 5, or the P-51D can join the ranks of the ENY 8. It may have legs, endurance, and ord but the cards are stacked against it versus any of the other top dogs in the LWA. The only thing it has against any of the unperked rides is speed, and that's if it's flown right. That doesn't mean it wins all the time, it just means it can lose less.

[swareiam]

Nah, no need to perk the La7.  However, I fully support reducing the ENY of the La7 to 3, the Spit16 to 3, and the P51D to 3.  That alone will help.

The La7 is limited in its role.  No worth while ord and not enough fuel for range.

You mean make the uber rides more available during unbalanced times of play?  

[Karnak]

GNucks,

The P-51D is, by far, the most used airplane in AH.  The La-7 and Spitfire Mk XVI don't even approach the P-51D's usage numbers.  The idea of raising its ENY is sheerly ridiculous.

swareiam,

Where are you getting the idea that the La-7 had a short service history and didn't contribute much?  Don't mistake the small number of three gun La-7s as the sum total of the La-7's service.  The two gun La-7 was far, far more common and built in large numbers.  The engine is the same as the engine in the La-5FN.

[Tyrannis]

GNucks,

The P-51D is, by far, the most used airplane in AH.  The La-7 and Spitfire Mk XVI don't even approach the P-51D's usage numbers.  The idea of raising its ENY is sheerly ridiculous.

swareiam,

Where are you getting the idea that the La-7 had a short service history and didn't contribute much?  Don't mistake the small number of three gun La-7s as the sum total of the La-7's service.  The two gun La-7 was far, far more common and built in large numbers.  The engine is the same as the engine in the La-5FN.

The p51's usage is most likely due to its World War 2 popularity more than its effectiveness in-game.

[swareiam]

swareiam,

Where are you getting the idea that the La-7 had a short service history and didn't contribute much?  Don't mistake the small number of three gun La-7s as the sum total of the La-7's service.  The two gun La-7 was far, far more common and built in large numbers.  The engine is the same as the engine in the La-5FN.

Karnak,

Look it up yourself my friend. It doesn't matter the armament arrangement. Historical example, the final months of the war as the Russians began to close out against the Japanese. There were 313 La-7s made available for the campaign. The engineering of the aircraft was so bad, that by the time they were stage for the first battles there were only 65 or so available to begin the campaign. Plan a major campaign on those numbers...

[Karnak]

The p51's usage is most likely due to its World War 2 popularity more than its effectiveness in-game.

Partially, yes.  That charge can also be leveled at the Spitfire though as the Spitfire was the most famous aircraft to come out of that war.

The P-51D is also very well suited to the game and thrives on its own merits.  Famous aircraft that don't thrive on their own merits, such as the P-40, don't see much use in the game despite their fame.

Karnak,

Look it up yourself my friend. It doesn't matter the armament arrangement. Historical example, the final months of the war as the Russians began to close out against the Japanese. There were 313 La-7s made available for the campaign. The engineering of the aircraft was so bad, that by the time they were stage for the first battles there were only 65 or so available to begin the campaign. Plan a major campaign on those numbers...

How much of that had to do with the fact that they were in Siberia, very far from their support lines?  What were their numbers against the Germans? Soviet quality was not up to US or UK standards.  Thousands of La-7s were built.

[GNucks]

GNucks,

The P-51D is, by far, the most used airplane in AH.  The La-7 and Spitfire Mk XVI don't even approach the P-51D's usage numbers.  The idea of raising its ENY is sheerly ridiculous.

And frankly that's why I can understand that its ENY is 5, its usage and its attack power is incredible. I personally don't think it should be raised, but lowering it at all is crazy. That's what I was trying to say.

[Karnak]

And frankly that's why I can understand that its ENY is 5, its usage and its attack power is incredible. I personally don't think it should be raised, but lowering it at all is crazy. That's what I was trying to say.

I'm not saying I think anything should be lowered to ENY 3, but if HTC were to go that way the P-51D is the clear first choice.

I will note that 10 perks for killing a P-51D does sound nice though.

[Ack-Ack]

Karnak,

Look it up yourself my friend. It doesn't matter the armament arrangement. Historical example, the final months of the war as the Russians began to close out against the Japanese. There were 313 La-7s made available for the campaign. The engineering of the aircraft was so bad, that by the time they were stage for the first battles there were only 65 or so available to begin the campaign. Plan a major campaign on those numbers...

The Soviets built over 5,000 La-7s during the war.

ack-ack

[Raptor05121]

I thought about this the other day. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE, L-O-V-E the P-51 Mustang, but it is simply too overused in this game. The P-51 is akin to the B-29, but the B-29 is almost always triple digit perks. I believe the Pony should come down to 3, or be perked something small, like 1 or 2 so if you lose, you're not getting them for free.

[SmokinLoon]

No other place can go as fast, carry as much ord, go as far, maneuver as well, or is as versatile at all altitudes as the P51D.  Forget the stats, I can make stats say anything I want them to say as well.  I say the stats show that it is under-rated because it is the most used and that means a great many of the players flying it do not know how to use it, yet it scores as well as it does.  What do the stats say for you?

The Spit16 is in a similar boat: for all it can do it is far too easy to just hop in to and go. It is the most capable plane in the game.

The La7 is handicapped by short legs and no worth while ordnance, yet the triple none mounted 20mm, very high speeds, great turning capability, and possibly the best acceleration in the game vaults it to a 5 ENY, imo.

The Me262, Spit 16, and P51D all need to have their ENY lowered to below 5 (the B29 is lonely at 2ENY), imo.  The La7 deserves a 5.  My opinions of course.     

[swareiam]

Partially, yes.  That charge can also be leveled at the Spitfire though as the Spitfire was the most famous aircraft to come out of that war.

The P-51D is also very well suited to the game and thrives on its own merits.  Famous aircraft that don't thrive on their own merits, such as the P-40, don't see much use in the game despite their fame.
How much of that had to do with the fact that they were in Siberia, very far from their support lines?  What were their numbers against the Germans? Soviet quality was not up to US or UK standards.  Thousands of La-7s were built.

Well, I will agree with you on Soviet logistics at the end of WWII. That did have a barring on its historical significance and level of success overall. But, with 5000 some odd models built and in service, we still need to keep in mind that Russian aces, even at the end of the war, chose American planes to score in. When we're talking history versus playability of the game in the MA. The La-7 is a super plane, Uber-Uber even. There is almost no better plane to defend a base. In the right hands with 25% fuel and fifteen minutes or so, a CV operation to take a base can be thwarted. Its not perked and its not fair as compared to the majority of carrier based aircraft available.

"Perk it!"