Starting Instrument on Monday

[flight17]

hmmm maybe its just the part 141 in me... but something doesnt seem right about the fact that on your first couple of lessons you have already partial panel ils approach...

[Golfer]

hmmm maybe its just the part 141 in me... but something doesnt seem right about the fact that on your first couple of lessons you have already partial panel ils approach...

It's the 141 in you. It's like multi engine training you spend more time on one engine and working through various failures/losses of systems than you do on two engines. Anybody can develop a scan and fly from sitting at their desktop PC. Dealing with the loss of systems and stuff going wrong is what the training is all about. Not to mention the colossal waste of money to buzz around with everything happily working when you're improving these skills once you've developed a basic understanding and a scan.

I just got back from school on my airplane. The only time something isn't failing (and consequently the pilots learning) is when required by the PTS. All engine approach, coupled approach, rejected landing, airwork etc. Beyond that, the more the student sees in terms of failures the better prepared they should be.

[Tupac]

My instructors philosophy is "If it's easy, I'm not teaching you right." He doesn't let me use my 530 except when we're doing an RNAV - otherwise we are /U the rest of the time. Last night he failed my attitude indicator, airspeed, and DG on an ILS - then when we "broke out" he failed my altimeter.


It's not easy, but I'm learning a lot.

[Wolfala]

My instructors philosophy is "If it's easy, I'm not teaching you right." He doesn't let me use my 530 except when we're doing an RNAV - otherwise we are /U the rest of the time. Last night he failed my attitude indicator, airspeed, and DG on an ILS - then when we "broke out" he failed my altimeter.


It's not easy, but I'm learning a lot.

I like this guy already

[Dichotomy]

Ya know Golfer

You and Tup should hook up in the real world sometime. 

I know you know what you're talking about and I respect it more than you know.  I also know that Tup is a good young man that absorbs information like a sponge.  Exposure to an experienced operator that knows how to do it right every time could only benefit him and, to some degree, you. 

Just my .02

He's a tad on the young side for me to teach him anything I'm good at other than warped humor.

[Tupac]

4.5 hour today - I'm really having alot of fun! My instructor is a great teacher, and very good at putting things in terms I can understand. It's getting progressively more difficult - Today I had to fly a hold over an intersection without the 530 using VORs, and I flew a partial panel VOR approach into Beatrice, Nebraska. (And a bunch of approaches other places)

.1 actual!!!!!

No saturday is complete flying without a $100 hamburger

[flight17]

It's the 141 in you. It's like multi engine training you spend more time on one engine and working through various failures/losses of systems than you do on two engines. Anybody can develop a scan and fly from sitting at their desktop PC. Dealing with the loss of systems and stuff going wrong is what the training is all about. Not to mention the colossal waste of money to buzz around with everything happily working when you're improving these skills once you've developed a basic understanding and a scan.

I just got back from school on my airplane. The only time something isn't failing (and consequently the pilots learning) is when required by the PTS. All engine approach, coupled approach, rejected landing, airwork etc. Beyond that, the more the student sees in terms of failures the better prepared they should be.

My instrument so far is as such...

During Private i had over 5 hours simulated as part of my required training.

Im currently in Stage one Instrument which for the first two hours or so was flying normally and doing all the manuvers under foggles for the entire flight from 500ft agl and above. My last two flights have been all under foggles but with partial panels. Stage one with a 141 school is all just getting used to flying on the panel completely. Stage two is all holds/approaches and stage three is all cross country stuff. Im just about to finsh Stage one next week. Im just supprised that with just starting, you are doing a partial panel approach, which was what i was getting at.

i will probably finish my rating with about 15 hours actual instrument with the other 20 or so of simulated. Just depends on how fast the weather is gonna turn... it keeps going ifr, but then gets nice or is raining/too windy which is preventing me from getting any.

[Golfer]

Fly on rainy days.  It's an instrument rating, after all.

I can think of several schools and universities that prohibit actual IFR flying without a faculty member and such. Is Beaver one of them?

[Tupac]

Another 4.1 today. When I landed I noticed oil on the front wheel pant, looked under the cowl and this time it looks like the oil pressure line is leaking. Alot. I had 7 quarts when I left Des Moines and landed with 6 at Lincoln.


Bad things tend to come in threes, so hopefully this is the last one

[Tupac]

I've had more problems in the last 20 hours than I've had in the last 150 with my plane.

[B4Buster]

I have very little time in and around Skyhawks, but I've noticed they aren't shy about spitting oil if you put too much in. Of course, I don't have a POH in front of me to look into how many quarts it should be running at either.

edit: Did you fill it up before your flight?

[Tupac]

It spits it out, but not all over the inside of the cowling. The belly oil is typically from overfilling it. I had oil on the right inside of the cowling and it looked like it it was coming from the oil pressure line

[F22RaptorDude]

4.5 hour today - I'm really having alot of fun! My instructor is a great teacher, and very good at putting things in terms I can understand. It's getting progressively more difficult - Today I had to fly a hold over an intersection without the 530 using VORs, and I flew a partial panel VOR approach into Beatrice, Nebraska. (And a bunch of approaches other places)

.1 actual!!!!! (Image removed from quote.)

No saturday is complete flying without a $100 hamburger

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That burger looks like it has a brain! I'd still eat it though, i'm always starving

[flight17]

Fly on rainy days.  It's an instrument rating, after all.

I can think of several schools and universities that prohibit actual IFR flying without a faculty member and such. Is Beaver one of them?

No, we can fly actual solo as far as im aware.

Rain itself we will fly in, but right now it's just the time of the year that with the rain comes heavy winds. Last weekend, we had winds in excess of 40 mph... lol

[flight17]

I had 7 quarts when I left Des Moines and landed with 6 at Lincoln.

lol i normally take off with 6 qts... but i land with 6 as well lol