new P40 skin

[ink]

Looks good, ink. I would increase the opacity of the rivets a little bit. You want to be able to see the rivets, but don't make them so bold as to seem too obnoxious. You could maybe even add a subtle paint chip effect on some random rivets on the wings. Also, I would add a little bit of paint chipping in there (a little bit, mind you), perhaps around the wing roots. Be sure the paint/weathering around the wing roots blend well together. Perhaps add in a little bit of fading effect from being in the sun a lot.

Basically that sums it up. Just add in some subtle weathering details so that the skin doesn't look too "cartoonish" so to speak.

Best of luck.

I will do that, haven't done it yet, (the paint chipping that is)   

when the squad got the planes, it was painted in the same camo but the "light stone" color was "Dark green" and all they did was paint over the dark green with light stone, so I am making it so the rivets under the light stone color is harder to see, due to more paint over them, it doesn't really show up great in those screenies but the rivets in the Dark Earth color are much easier to see.

I was being Cheeky I guess you did not catch what I meant.

The aircraft lettering?

Thought it was funny if some one flew around in game with that on the side. In light of how often it is mentioned on 200 when some one takes issue with something

I know I am warped.

 

right over my head...once again I call for a "right over the head smiley"

Gun soot on the upper and lower wing is way too conspicuous in my opinion.  Very few pictures of any aircraft from the war, that I have seen, have gun soot around the barrels.  Some have gun soot on the ejection ports, but not the barrels.  Also, I think the engine exhaust is a bit overdone.  Otherwise, shaping up nicely...

I was gonna lower it a bit, you suggest taking the gun soot right out?


thanx for the input guys much appreciated
 

[Devil 505]

Keep up the good work Ink.

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Keep up the good work Ink.

Thank ya...will do

[Megalodon]

For me ink I think the gun soot is fine but the exhaust looks bad,,,, also don't go away from your realism, as this looks cookie cutter, stay with your weathering of planes its just going to change for every plane less is more but don't take it away.

If you look carefully at Greebo, Fence and Cactus, espically Greebo, they have it, it's in the layering. I'm not a skinner and don't know how to show it but maybe you can make a dialog with 1 of them through pm's.


 

[ink]

For me ink I think the gun soot is fine but the exhaust looks bad,,,, also don't go away from your realism, as this looks cookie cutter, stay with your weathering of planes its just going to change for every plane less is more but don't take it away.

If you look carefully at Greebo, Fence and Catus, espically Greebo, they have it, it's in the layering. I'm not a skinner and don't know how to show it but maybe you can make a dialog with 1 of them through pm's.


 

ya I am gonna cut down the exhaust a little bit, but not a lot, been looking at crazy pics a lot have heavy exhaust and it ranges from white to black...and some do ga as far back as the lettering.

but ya I have not done any weathering yet...well minor, but No chipping....as you can see

I have some good idea's....trust me when I am done, this baby is gonna look like its been in a war

[Megalodon]

ya I am gonna cut down the exhaust a little bit,

I could litter this thread with GA-... planes but here

this would match for what your going for


look at your own image ...do you see what you have portrayed?





btw... by far the most famous plane from the 112 is Menace.

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I could litter this thread with GA-... planes but here

this would match for what your going for
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look at your own image ...do you see what you have portrayed?
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btw... by far the most famous plane from the 112 is Menace.

 

[Stoney]

Ink, its your skin buddy, just voicing my preference, based on historical pictures, versus a feature that's meant to spice up the skin.  As for the exhaust soot, the color was a reflection of the mixture.  A rich mixture produces black soot, and a lean mixture produces a whiter soot.  You see more white soot later in the war, I suspect from the lessons learned about leaning the mixture to the absolute minimum that still keeps the engine inside its performance parameters.

[ink]

I am really enjoying making these, its been a long time since I have enjoyed art....my 5 year old boy is infatuated with the Shark teeth planes ( I think more then me haha) he loves looking at them....he is always asking me...is that a P40.

[Greebo]

That's a nice skin Ink. I'd suggest toning down the rivets where they are exposed by paint chips a bit.

BTW I've noticed the gun staining on British aircraft is often quite heavy. I assume its because the British armed forces tended to use cordite bullet propellant rather than cleaner burning nitrocellulose. In this case though, I'd guess they'd be using US ammo.

[Devil 505]

Ink, looking at your skin some more I've come to the conclusion that you should lighten the Middle Stone color a little. With your weathering, the colors don't contrast enough.

[Krusty]

I think it's Pretty good overall. I rather like the central belly area underneath (the oil etc) but what I don't like is 1 specific thing shown in a couple of areas.

The missing paint. It's just unrealistic the way portrayed. First the spinner. While there is a panel line on this, you never see it missing paint or flaking or anything like that. It's fairly well covered in paint, and the metal never shows through.

The second area is the wings leading edges. It just doesn't look accurate at all.

I think one thing that bothers me is the stark "full paint-to-bare metal" border with nothing in between. You jump from paint straight to the metal, bright as day. For example on the rear port window, those areas of bare metal wouldn't be there because you're showing a plane with multiple layers of field-applied paint. The same color covers up the yellow roundel ring, but up here has chipped off with nothing below it.

I know you like showing metal flakes, but might I suggest showing scratches instead? They can be just as effective. Say, for example, instead of metal showing you use that exact same layer/alpha/whatever and discolor the paint?

Just a thought and some explanation as to why. I do like it. I just don't think the spinner and wing leading edges "work" right for this or most planes.

 

[ink]

thanx for input guys


 

[jocko-]

Hi ink,

Great job. I love shark mouthed P-40s. I haven't done any skinning in AH for a while but I keep an eye on the new models coming out and the P-40 series has me opening up my books again.

Just thought I'd point out a couple of things as a self-proclaimed markings nerd...  

These aircraft would have been painted by Curtiss before delivery using American 'equivalent' colours to those specified by the RAF/Air Ministry, namely:

DuPont 71-009 Dark Earth (redder than the RAF's Dark Earth) and DuPont 71-013 Dark Green (bluer than the RAF's Dark Green) over DuPont 71-021 Sky Grey under surfaces. There were some P-40s in the AN serial block that had the under sides painted in US Light Blue 27, as also seen on some of the first Wildcats sent to the Med/N. Africa. Google these colours for appropriate RGB numbers to give you an idea. Keep in mind that it is open to argument whether any digital samples you find online are correct, or just closest possible approximations. Artistic license enters here

At any rate your choice of Azure Blue is correct for the time period as 112 Squadron started repainting in Azure Blue by the end of 1941.

The dark boxed area around the aircraft serial number should be green, not brown. The DuPont Dark Green portions of the camo would have been over sprayed in either Light Earth or Midstone once the aircraft left the Nile basin and started operating in the Western Desert. The serial blocks were masked before the over spray so anything located on a sandy coloured bit would have been green originally.

Markings would have been applied before delivery and RAF markings on P-40s were as such (I am giving you the ball park location, the actual finishing instructions would show actual measurements in inches from a set reference point for the center of each marking. ie: so many inches inboard of wing tip and so many inches aft from leading edge of wing...):

Upper wing 48" in diameter, centered fore and aft, with the inboard edge of the blue disc lying along an imaginary line running forwards from the inside front corner of the aileron.

Fuselage 35" in diameter as per the photo.

Lower wing 45" diameter, trailing edge at aileron hinge (see period photo), and moved inboard so it's centered with the aileron. The landing light will end up in the blue portion of the marking on the left wing.

Fin flash is 24" wide (8" stripes) by 27" high, trailing edge of blue stripe lined up at gap between fin and rudder and base of marking along bottom of fin.

Again, these are the "Standard" placements, period photos will always have the last say.


Your under wing roundels look as though they have a slight white outline, did you use a pre-made marking sheet like Simmer's Paintshop has or did you make your own markings? I make my own RAF roundels for every aircraft type (different types used different diameters on wings) as resizing pre-made ones doesn't give you as sharp a marking. I can show you how to do it, just shoot me a PM. As for marking colours, most of the BS 381C paint numbers as used by the RAF in WW2 do not exist on the modern colour charts today so usually any reference to a Federal Standards equivalent is only a "closest match", not an actual match, so use your best judgement  

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Jocko....awesome response thank you very much....I knew that the planes were painted and then repainted after, I actually try to show that, if you really look close the color around the serial numbers is raf dark green...at least that's what it is supposed to be and (its seems like it is green but a brown green)

 I have a layer of that dark green under the stone color and that's the darker spots were the paint chips off, I chipped the stone color and dark green color but left some dark green showing through.

although I didn't use dupont colors, I used the RAF colors that I found....so that could be why the dark green is more brown.....

as far as placement of the markings go I eyeball it so to speak....I would have no clue as to how to get the measurements exactly correct, heck I didn't know what the correct measurements were, like I said just eyeballed them.

posting two sceens of the dark green showing through, and the serial numbers up close.

I also tried to make the chipping smaller, I am using a 1 pixel brush.






and KRUSTY if you look at one of those screens you will see....layers haha 31 for this skin....so ya you were right its is much better/easier with just about everything on its own layer.


I noticed something that none of you guys noticed.....this plane is supposed to have a Yellow leading edge...DOH


again I appreciate all the comments and input