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Yes he could have waited to see if they kill him first.

In the latter incident.... hope all those jurrors suffer the consequences of their idiocy. I truely hope each one is burglarized and made to pay dearly for their bleeding heart. In hopes that innocent folks may not suffer for their actions.

Here in Texas we have a right to defend our home and property. There are rules of engagement for day and night. They do differ some.

Texas has some of the better laws dictating on what you can do to protect ones self.

I still do not agree with what he did, heck one punch in the face would have stopped them,or how about just pushing them back of the counter when they jumped on it...instead of running in the back and grabbing a weapon to beat the crap outta two woman,
   he beat them down, broke their bones, he used it as an excuse for hurting someone, thinking he was gonna get away with it.

it would have been easy to stop them, he did not have to do what he did....

I guess I just don't agree with hitting a woman no matter what idiocy she is causing.

one punch would have laid them out, even that in my mind would have been too much, 99.999%  of people who think they are badarses, once confronted, not backed down from,  they become meek really don't want there faces smashed in.
He should have stayed at the counter and just pushed them back off as they tried to climb over it, someone else would have called the cops they would have been arrested and he would not be in trouble at all.

[guncrasher]

only reason he's going to jail is because he has a record.  a policy officer/security guard  would have pulled his/her gun shot both of them until gun was out of bullets and no questions would have been asked.  a little bit of paperwork and going home as a hero.

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only reason he's going to jail is because he has a record.  a policy officer/security guard  would have pulled his/her gun shot both of them until gun was out of bullets and no questions would have been asked.  a little bit of paperwork and going home as a hero.

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[Shuffler]

Texas has some of the better laws dictating on what you can do to protect ones self.

I still do not agree with what he did, heck one punch in the face would have stopped them,or how about just pushing them back of the counter when they jumped on it...instead of running in the back and grabbing a weapon to beat the crap outta two woman,
   he beat them down, broke their bones, he used it as an excuse for hurting someone, thinking he was gonna get away with it.

it would have been easy to stop them, he did not have to do what he did....

I guess I just don't agree with hitting a woman no matter what idiocy she is causing.

one punch would have laid them out, even that in my mind would have been too much, 99.999%  of people who think they are badarses, once confronted, not backed down from,  they become meek really don't want there faces smashed in.
He should have stayed at the counter and just pushed them back off as they tried to climb over it, someone else would have called the cops they would have been arrested and he would not be in trouble at all.

The guy doesn't look very big. He got excited and was probably scared. Different folks handle that stress differently.

Nothing would have happened had the women not caused it. The women want to be badasses.... then they have to face the consequences. Just my opinion.

I feel the women got what they deserved.

[Raphael]

I like this guy's response to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3c12kDUwE&feature=related

[Shuffler]

lol Watched that video and an ad for McDonalds was on bottom...... findtherightjob at McDonalds.

[canacka]

I like this guy's response to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3c12kDUwE&feature=related

This guy has it right.  And I'm afraid the cashiers downfall will be that a co-worker was trying to get him to stop.  he paused for a few seconds, then began hitting again.
All parties will be charged and rightfully so.  If he was in that much fear, he could have used the back door.  And that is what prosocutors are going to push.  He will have a tough time getting out of this one.

[Shuffler]

This guy has it right.  And I'm afraid the cashiers downfall will be that a co-worker was trying to get him to stop.  he paused for a few seconds, then began hitting again.
All parties will be charged and rightfully so.  If he was in that much fear, he could have used the back door.  And that is what prosocutors are going to push.  He will have a tough time getting out of this one.

lol...... I think simply scaring some folks in the courtroom would show how different reactions can be when fear takes over.

Ask the prosecutor what the woman was going to do next after she jumped over the counter. No maybes... no ifs... what exactly was she going to do.  Nobody knows and neither did the cashier. He reacted to protect himself out of fear. That would even explain why he hit them more. Intelligent folks don't jump over counters and attack people. He was dealing with some psychotic individual. He was scared.

[Tigger29]

I really hope a world class lawyer jumps in and donates his time to this case.  This country has become SO BACKWARD when it comes to victim/assailant blame.  The bad guys are becoming the victims and the good guys are the ones being prosecuted here.

It's absolutely ridiculous.  There's no doubt that he was ticked off and took things a little too far but the whole thing STARTED when they jumped the counter and came after him!  I can't say I wouldn't have done the same!

Take for example someone driving drunk.  A drunk driver can be sitting still at a red light and get rear ended by a sober driver.  Who gets blamed for that accident?  Yes the drunk driver.  Why?  Because he wouldn't have gotten rear ended if he was obeying the law because he would not be out on the road while drunk if he were obeying the law.  Do you feel that is right?  Even though the idiot who rear ended him is a horrible driver and probably does not need to be behind the wheel in the first place?  Well that's how it is.

Now take that example and apply it here.  The women broke the law the second the jumped that counter and charged after him.  I don't feel that he should be held accountable for what happens as a result.  Yes perhaps he got a couple of strikes in there too many but we all know that they deserved it.  His criminal record involved something that happened a decade ago and the fact that he was released and was able to get a job tells me that he's been (relatively) rehabilitated.  I applaud him for actually working a job and not out on the streets again.  If anything he should maybe get a slap on the hand for this incident but I don't feel the guy deserves to go back to prison.

[Shuffler]

You can look at a film of a guy shooting 5 people and the news says.... the alleged shooter. 

[Ripsnort]

The REAL criminal thing going on here was...PEOPLE EATING MCDONALDS FOOD.

For crissakes, that crappola will kill you, slowly. JUST SAY NO to McDonalds.

[Delirium]

So you could say by being clubbed by employee it was an attempted euthanasia, rather than just a beating? 

[canacka]

lol...... I think simply scaring some folks in the courtroom would show how different reactions can be when fear takes over.

Ask the prosecutor what the woman was going to do next after she jumped over the counter. No maybes... no ifs... what exactly was she going to do.  Nobody knows and neither did the cashier. He reacted to protect himself out of fear. That would even explain why he hit them more. Intelligent folks don't jump over counters and attack people. He was dealing with some psychotic individual. He was scared.

I'm not taking any sides here, but what I was stating before was the obvious.  He will go down just for what took place in the video.  There was clearly a co-worker trying to stop him.  The girls will be charged for what they did, but that is no green light to beat the crap out of them with a pipe.  That is what the lawyers will state.  They all have their faults in this one but to be honest, it could have been just the girls that faced charges.  I do think he went a little over the edge.  If someone comes at you, and after you hit them and they go down, are you allowed to keep beating them if they try to stand?  That is what's gonna get him.  He was right up to the point of hitting them after they were down.  He had his opportunity to escape, in law terms here. 

[Dichotomy]

Exactly Canacka. 

The lawyers will argue, probably successfully, that he could have escaped WITHOUT resorting to violence.  In that situation in the eyes of the law (and I don't necessarily agree with it) if you can escape that's what you're supposed to do.

One question I have that nobody has mentioned yet.  Was the money counterfeit?

The women seemed a little over agitated about his questioning the validity of their currency. 

[Shuffler]

I'm not taking any sides here, but what I was stating before was the obvious.  He will go down just for what took place in the video.  There was clearly a co-worker trying to stop him.  The girls will be charged for what they did, but that is no green light to beat the crap out of them with a pipe.  That is what the lawyers will state.  They all have their faults in this one but to be honest, it could have been just the girls that faced charges.  I do think he went a little over the edge.  If someone comes at you, and after you hit them and they go down, are you allowed to keep beating them if they try to stand?  That is what's gonna get him.  He was right up to the point of hitting them after they were down.  He had his opportunity to escape, in law terms here. 

No one reacts the same in fear. The other employee hollering stop means nothing. Fear can make a person unable to function fully, unable to hear, talk, or think straight. You set some folks off and your going to die.

Folks talk all day about reacting just enough..... but not a dang one can tell you just how much enough is..... and they sure can't do it when in fear for their safety.


No, simple fact here is the women set the stage and the show went on. It is no ones fault but their own. If they died doing it.... too bad. It was their choice to make and they made it.


Now if they said "I'm going to jump over this counter and slap you". Then you react accordingly. Here they failed to verbally state their intentions and voice their intended limitations.