Where has the AH Luftwaffe gone?

[Westy MOL]

While Seeker didn't mince words he did get right to the root of the issue - imo. He did not do it in a 'politically' correct style but he was very much to the point and dead on. That, imo, is better.
 Badawg and some others also said it very well. I've seen PLENTY of FW's and ME's the few times I've been online lately. Not flown by the old handles but I do suspect a good number of these new handles are old hands in shades or simply with new "personalities."
 If not that then there are apparantly a definate number of very good NEW sticks flying LW aircraft. Which kind of makes me wonder a bit at just how big some of the ego's were of those who have departed in that they think thier loss would have a large impact on a games community and the online gameplay here.

 BTW, I just heard Pete Seeger singing that moldy oldy on the net radio...

"Where have all the Lufwaffle gone?
Long time whining.
Where have all the Luftwaffle gone?
Lost long ago
Where have all the Luftwhiners gone?
They've gone to WillyWorldOnline, every one.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?....."

 

(meant as humour for the humour impaired)


  Westy

[AKSWulfe]

Just to help everyone out, to show that I am NOT biased towards anyone plane or air force and that I do know wtf I am talking about rather than letting my anus spew forth drivel as if I am an all knowing being:
 http://www.dbstaines.com/Top10/Top100/fw_190a-5.htm  http://www.dbstaines.com/Top10/Top100/bf_109f-4.htm  http://www.dbstaines.com/Top10/Top100/bf_109g-2.htm

It isn't the game and it isn't the planes that's making these supposed die hard LuftWaffles leave. It's their own self.

Hint: I flew in NJGr10 in WB, I am a LuftWaffle at heart and LLBM can attest to this fact!
-SW

[Seeker]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
[QB]Let me ask you seeker why did you post like that in such an agressive and insulting way?  Groinhurts?? What does that accomplish?

About the same as this:

 "NO THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT SO DONT EVEN GO THERE".

I can see the drool from here..


"As for "role playing nutters"

Are the Members of 56FG, Raf 308 Polish, and the large number of dedicated and historic Allied squads deserving of such a colorful title?"

On occasion, but rarely. You could add in the Japanese squads, who, for all I know ritually commit seppuku every time they get shot down with a big red felt tip pen, but they don't come grovelling here about it; or the Italian corps, but you tell me why there's such a difference.. Your boys, in comparison, wear the label with pride.

"I intend this to be a serious thread to discuss a real issue."

You're right. I'm serious too.

"SW put it well the 9 or 10 LW planes together have some 9400 kills, the Spit9 and Niki have 7,500 and 10,000 each. NO THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT SO DONT EVEN GO THERE! But it serves well to illustrate my point and my concern."

No it doesn't, it serves to illustrate your tenuous grip of reality. Try this: German planes are very good, and lots of people like them. They don't want to be associated with the spit flecked jackboot wearers, but that's a different story.

"So please go away from this thread if you mean to make fun of people and be insulting."

And poor Goebels, has no balls, at all!

[Nifty]

Originally posted by SWulfe:
Just to help everyone out, to show that I am NOT biased towards anyone plane or air force and that I do know wtf I am talking about rather than letting my anus spew forth drivel as if I am an all knowing being:
 http://www.dbstaines.com/Top10/Top100/fw_190a-5.htm  http://www.dbstaines.com/Top10/Top100/bf_109f-4.htm  http://www.dbstaines.com/Top10/Top100/bf_109g-2.htm

It isn't the game and it isn't the planes that's making these supposed die hard LuftWaffles leave. It's their own self.

Hint: I flew in NJGr10 in WB, I am a LuftWaffle at heart and LLBM can attest to this fact!
-SW

you mean it'd only take me 19 kills in the G2 to get on the top 100 list for it???

[Hornet]

Truth is if I was in a dedicated Luftwaffe squad in AH I would be pissed off right now. I imagine I'd carry quite a chip on my shoulder both on the bbs and in the arena.

Everywhere I turn I see posts of "where has the real Luftwaffe gone" and the several not so subtle suggestions by the Axis Command in the Rumble that the reason for the Axis defeat was not having the "real Luftwaffe" on hand.

Damn right I'd be pissed. My group would be in the MA every night working on getting better. Our ultimate goal would be a Rumble rematch. But not against the Allied side, but against the "Real Luftwaffe" that thinks it cannot be replaced. Talk about a slap in the face to the guys taking up the LW iron these days.

[Eagler]

I like the 109 the best ..... still.
I try to force myself to fly other planes,gv, boat but 109 is the best for me. 109f for ftrs, g10 for bombers and the g6 for both, you can keep the g2  

[Cobra]

Preach on Brother Hornet!

Cobra

[GRUNHERZ]

Seeker thats a fun song!!  

[AG Sach]

Grun,
     Well I know what you mean when you started this.  It has been 2 months now since I left and I flew a vast majority of LW AC only.  I think what you are getting at is that a lot of the old timers have left and went to other avenues in search of a possible feeling of satisfaction.  What I am getting at is if you are a true historian and you have read countless article's, interviews, plane specs and such they might be getting this let down feeling.  This is by no means a whhine and I am sure the "BBS police" will PC the toejam out of this anyway.  

     Frustration I think is the key, and looking at the setup we have in this game where country balance is split among all the aircraft and not sperated by indivual countries/or allies.  You are going to have here numbers games where of course others will fly LW planes, but not the dedication from what we are looking for.  I should be flying in a month at most, and I will join right where I left off flying with Wotan and brady in a D-9 for the knights.  Something should be looked at to maybe spark the interest of the old flyers to coem back and fly the LW iron again.  Best of luck.

AG  JV44 Wurger-Staffel

[AKDejaVu]

This is by no means a whhine and I am sure the "BBS police" will PC the toejam out of this anyway.

diddly you.

It may have escaped you that most of the forumn dubbed "BBS police" said the exact same thing you did... but feel free to try to make it sound as if you are about to be persecuted just for your beliefs and nothing else.

 

I said:

So... my observations:

A group of people tried to achieve a tad bit more historical accuracy by congregating in one country. Frustration seemed to prevail as few others were concerned with bringing the same level of historical accuracy to the MA. People responded to this in different ways. That's it.

 

You said:

Frustration I think is the key, and looking at the setup we have in this game where country balance is split among all the aircraft and not sperated by indivual countries/or allies. You are going to have here numbers games where of course others will fly LW planes, but not the dedication from what we are looking for.

Time to quit blaming the "BBS police" for what you do or don't say.

AKDejaVu

[Reschke]

Well to speak up or out in here I feel I should at least say why LuftJagerKorps (LJK) broke from AH.  We all as a squadron decided that the amount of hours (time) we were putting into the game was not worth it on our financial scale so we made for the door.  We did not whine or cry aloud with gnashing of teeth at the FM of the planes as they are probably the most right on I have seen in a flight sim in many years.  We quietly folded up shop in AH and moved on to other areas.  Some of us left for WW2OL as closed beta testers and a few went to IL-2 as closed beta testers.  Right now we have relocated to Wiltz on the WW2OL map and fly from there.

I think what you perceive as a decline in the numbers is a small decrease in the vocal and visible old timers.  If I had the money I would be right back here flying my arse off.

Salute goes to Hitech Creations for a fine simulation!

[Dowding]

Why should the people who left in a big hoo-ha be given any more attention? Why should effort be expended in getting them to come back? Why should the fact they flew LW planes be relevant?

They didn't like the game. They stopped playing. They made a song and dance about it. That should be the end of it.

Did HTC's business suffer because of it? Doesn't look that way if you examine MA attendences.

Someone made a point about in-game aliases. I believe this may be true - the shining holy grail that was WW2OL has turned out to be a rusty p*** pot (at least for time being). Some of them probably are back.

[ 07-17-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]

[Staga]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:

diddly you.

.....

Time to quit blaming the "BBS police" for what you do or don't say.

AKDejaVu

Where are "UBB-Police" when you need them ?


 

[Karnak]

Funny, now that I think about it, I realize that I have not flown a single LW aircraft since the rumble.

I am apparently one of those non-dedicated guys that cost the Luftwaffe, er, I mean "Axis", the Rumble.

I mean, heaven forbid that I should feel sorry for the fact that they were having difficulty attracting volunteers.  I volunteered and actually showed up.  I know I'm not particularly good in LW aircraft, but I did what I could.

You won't find me making that mistake again.  I don't much care for being a scapegoat.  

I fly many different aircraft, does that mean that I should be insulted?  To be considered "valid" do I need to fly LW or RAF or FAA or USAAF or USN or VVS or RA or IJA or IJN exclusively?

Hardly flying, and poorly at that, I have one or more kills in these aircraft this tour:

A6M5b
F6F-5
Fw190D-9
Ki-61
Lancaster Mk III
Spitfire F.Mk IX

In addition, I have died in the following aircraft without obtaining a single kill:

Bf109G-10
C.202
Fw190A-5
Il-2
Ju88A-4
N1K2-J
P-47D-25
Panzer IV H
Spitfire Mk Vb

Why is it becoming so common to blast others?  "You don't fly correctly because you use turn fighters!" "You don't play correctly because you use aircraft from all sorts of origins!"

Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits.
-Mark Twain

My personaly feeling is that many of those vocal backers of LW aircraft that have left did so because they expect to effortlessly wipe out the unclean masses of non-LW aircraft that they perceive as having been grossly inferior.

I personally do not find the LW aircraft in AH to be dramatically more difficult to use, though most of them are somewhat more difficult.  The Fw190D-9 is pretty easy though.  I do not subscribe to the belief that German aircraft were superior across the board.

My best bomber mission for killing fighters was accomplished in a Ju88A-4, getting two N1K2-Js, one La-7 and one Fw190 (type unknown).

[Toad]

Originally posted by Staga:


Where are "UBB-Police" when you need them ?


   

Finland, I guess.