Bf 110 vs P-38

[Karnak]

Keep in mind that the Bf110 has split flaps and the P-38 has fowler flaps.  Split flaps are not nearly as good at producing additional lift as fowlers are.  The 38 can also deploy them at a higher speed and they had a combat setting.

The counter rotating props are negligible as a factor.  Those are mostly a pilot workload reducer.

[Tank-Ace]

whats thd difference between split flaps and fowler flaps?

[Karnak]

Split flaps drop from the undersurface of the wing.  Fowler flaps extend back and down from the wing.  Basically, split flaps increase the camber of the wing without increasing the area of the wing while fowler flaps increase both the camber and the area of the wing.

Launch AH and observe the flap movements on the P-38s, Ki-84 and N1K2-J and compare those to the Bf110.

[Tank-Ace]

ah, I get ya.

[PR3D4TOR]

The 110 has plain flaps.

[Krupinski]

110 is a great turnfighter. Even the G, as long as it has speed.
In the sustained turn the 38 wins couse it has more powerful engines. In the instanteous the 110 feels better for me.

Um, I have to disagree with this.. I've outturned spit16s in sustained turns.

[PR3D4TOR]

38 doesn't turn well at all. High wing-loading. However it shines in the vertical and should have no problem against a co-alt, co-E 110. The higher the altitude the greater the 38's advantage. Low and slow the 38 will lose.

[B4Buster]

In flying the 110, I always found it to be better in a flat turning fight than the P-38. When I come across them, I try to keep the fight verticle.

[Tank-Ace]

Not saying the 110 isn't a great fighter, I've 2v1'd a spit and an F4U with it, and outfought Dolby's C.205 as he will likely recall. Just seems like its not quite so easy to hold a turn with, like it keeps wanting to flip over on you.

[Debrody]

Not saying the 110 isn't a great fighter, I've 2v1'd a spit and an F4U with it, and outfought Dolby's C.205 as he will likely recall. Just seems like its not quite so easy to hold a turn with, like it keeps wanting to flip over on you.

Dolby isnt that good 

[moot]

Can't show any film or argue anything specific, but from what I recall (first hand experience flogging it, pretending we were gonna get the 410 soon and it was good practice) the 110 gets straight up whooped by pretty much any of the 38s. Just too little excess thrust to play with.

[Tank-Ace]

Not only a lack of excess thrust, but I suspect the 110 has a large ammount of parasitic drag, though I couldn't point out exactly where its coming from.

Acceleration in a dive is good, but then again, gravity has the same effect on every aircraft.

[gyrene81]

Not only a lack of excess thrust, but I suspect the 110 has a large ammount of parasitic drag, though I couldn't point out exactly where its coming from.

i don't know, i've been trying out the 110g2 with the 2x20mm and 2x30mm gun package and though it's a bit sluggish in some maneuvers it's not bad in a fight. you do have to watch your e state carefully, tends to drop off faster than a 190f8, but it does recover faster. against p-38s, get them into turn fights.

[Karnak]

The 110 has plain flaps.

(Image removed from quote.)

I don't fly the Bf110.  I thought it had split flaps.  Nonetheless, my point stands as plain flaps have much the same effect as split flaps.

[mthrockmor]

For the most part a P-38 is nothing but a big, shiny target. A kill waiting to happen. Unless it is flown by the 80th or a few pilots. Until then, they seem to be a tough bird to be really dangerous in.

Boo