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Henschel Hs 129
« on: October 25, 2011, 05:43:27 PM »
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Role
 
Ground attack
 


Manufacturer
 
Henschel
 


First flight
 
25 May 1939
 


Introduction
 
April 1942
 


Retired
 
1945
 


Primary users
 
Luftwaffe
 Hungarian Air Force
 Romanian Air Force
 


Produced
 
June 1940 - September 1944
 


Number built
 
865



General characteristics
 Crew: one, pilot
 Length: 9.75 m (31 ft 11¾ in)
 Wingspan: 14.20 m (46 ft 7 in)
 Height: 3.25 m (10 ft 8 in)
 Wing area: 29.0 m² (312.15 ft²)
 Empty weight: 4,020 kg (8,860 lb)
 Max takeoff weight: 5,250 kg (11,574 lb)
 Powerplant: 2 × Gnome-Rhône 14M 4/5 14-cylinder radial engines, 522 kW (700 hp) each
 
Performance
 Maximum speed: 407 km/h (220 knots, 253 mph) at 3,830 m (12,570 ft) (clean)
 Range: 690 km (372 nmi, 428 mi)
 Service ceiling: 9,000 m (29,530 ft)
 Rate of climb: 8.1 m/s (1,595 ft/min)
 
Armament

 Guns: ** 2 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons
 
up to 8 × 50 kg (110 lb) fragmentation bombs or a 30 mm (1.2 in) MK 101 armor-piercing gun externally


(30MM REPLACED BY 75MM PAK40 AS WAR CONTINUED)

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2011, 05:48:01 PM »
I seen a few pictures of these planes. not many made but they were great tank busters!
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2011, 05:58:57 PM »
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Would there be any reason to take this over the b25H tho?
The b25 has a 75mm aswell, along with (what it looks like) better defensive power.

Im not saying it shouldn't be Added simply because theirs  something better already in game.
Im just thinking it may become the german Beau, in a sense that it'll be popular for a week, then be hangered for the b25H.

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2011, 06:14:42 PM »
Would there be any reason to take this over the b25H tho?
The b25 has a 75mm aswell, along with (what it looks like) better defensive power.
AP ammo?

To take something that can barely fly?  Oh wait, you said B-25.  Never mind on that last one.  :p
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2011, 06:15:29 PM »
Would there be any reason to take this over the b25H tho?
The b25 has a 75mm aswell, along with (what it looks like) better defensive power.

Im not saying it shouldn't be Added simply because theirs  something better already in game.
Im just thinking it may become the german Beau, in a sense that it'll be popular for a week, then be hangered for the b25H.

b25 was never designed to take out tanks, this was. I'm sure it carried Armor piercing. This aircraft would ultimately outclass the 25h in Antitank defence against a base. Not to mention it would be more maneuverable and you wouldn't have to worry about pulling out or setting up your shot as much as a 25h.

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2011, 11:18:54 PM »
As posted in many of the other Hs129 threads, the 75mm was only installed on a handful before the order was cancelled. Of the 1000+ built, only 20-odd made it off the lines with the big gun, and no telling whether it made it into regular service.

The majority of the Hs129s used the Mk101 30mm gun, which was showings its age by not being able to take out Soviet tanks as early as 1943... The Hs129 was never improved quickly enough and was cancelled. The real canopener of the war was the Ju-87G, despite having only 37mm rounds, they were more than able to open any tank on the Eastern Front.

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2011, 11:45:23 PM »
Would there be any reason to take this over the b25H tho?
The b25 has a 75mm aswell, along with (what it looks like) better defensive power.

Im not saying it shouldn't be Added simply because theirs  something better already in game.
Im just thinking it may become the german Beau, in a sense that it'll be popular for a week, then be hangered for the b25H.

LOL We get you don't want the Beau, but since when did you decide the future and how something is flown?  You are now talking about how a plane we don't have, won't be used.  Give it a rest will ya?

As for the Hs 129, it's a nice looking bird.  Performance was an issue with it and as mentioned the big gun bird was not a factor.  I'd take the more produced version though just for fun :)
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 02:41:14 AM »
As posted in many of the other Hs129 threads, the 75mm was only installed on a handful before the order was cancelled. Of the 1000+ built, only 20-odd made it off the lines with the big gun, and no telling whether it made it into regular service.

The majority of the Hs129s used the Mk101 30mm gun, which was showings its age by not being able to take out Soviet tanks as early as 1943... The Hs129 was never improved quickly enough and was cancelled. The real canopener of the war was the Ju-87G, despite having only 37mm rounds, they were more than able to open any tank on the Eastern Front.

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lets get the 87 w/t 37mms.

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 03:46:23 AM »
As far as i know the hungarian air force wasnt using theese.
Would be the little brother of the 410. A cool plane, just not as much inportant.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2011, 06:21:39 AM »
LOL We get you don't want the Beau, but since when did you decide the future and how something is flown?  You are now talking about how a plane we don't have, won't be used.  Give it a rest will ya?

As for the Hs 129, it's a nice looking bird.  Performance was an issue with it and as mentioned the big gun bird was not a factor.  I'd take the more produced version though just for fun :)
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2011, 07:26:31 AM »
, and no telling whether it made it into regular service.

Yes there is, the 23 75mm armed B-3s served in the SG 9 during the winter of '44-45.


The majority of the Hs129s used the Mk101 30mm gun, which was showings its age by not being able to take out Soviet tanks as early as 1943...

B-2 used three different main weapons, MK101, MK103 and BK 3.7 all of which could be featured as loadout options in AH. According to Tony Williams MK103 could penetrate 42-52mm of armor from 300m at 60degree angle which is enough to easily penetrate the top armor of all tanks in AH except the Tiger I and II. MK103's performance is comparable to the NS 37 of the il-2. NS 37 penetrates 48mm of armor from 500 meters in the angle of 90 degrees. BK 3.7 is the same cannon used in the G-2 -Stuka.


The Hs129 was never improved quickly enough and was cancelled.

Where did you get the idea that it was cancelled? Depending how you want to count it, it was produced from December '40 until September '44. The HS129 was more than adquate for its job and the biggest flaw of it was that there wasn't enough of them considering the lenght of the Eastern Front and the quantity of the opposition.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2011, 08:50:08 AM »
It's usage in the arenas would be determined largely by whether it has F3 mode than any other variable.

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2011, 09:13:17 AM »
This one might be tough to model, IIRC the engine gauges are mounted on the cowlings and you looked out the canopy at the gauges sitting right there on the engines.

I think I aw pics of that somewhere anyway.

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2011, 09:51:19 AM »
B-2 used three different main weapons, MK101, MK103 and BK 3.7 all of which could be featured as loadout options in AH. According to Tony Williams MK103 could penetrate 42-52mm of armor from 300m at 60degree angle which is enough to easily penetrate the top armor of all tanks in AH except the Tiger I and II. MK103's performance is comparable to the NS 37 of the il-2. NS 37 penetrates 48mm of armor from 500 meters in the angle of 90 degrees. BK 3.7 is the same cannon used in the G-2 -Stuka.


Yes both the Mk101 and Mk103 were fitted, but the common majority were these 30mm guns. The BK37 was never used. I believe only one or two airframes were even mocked up before that avenue of thought was throroughly discontinued, and they started planning for the 75mm gun instead. Meanwhile they tried a number of experimental downward firing rockets and such, but overall the pilots complained the 30mm guns could not take out the Soviet armor.

That's why the Ju87D/G doesn't carry 30mm gunpods.

Are you so sure about those 75mm guns being used? The first handful of airframes were sent to SG9 in August 1944 for service testing and they found a number of issues. There was a major problem with the reload mechanism that took an entire team of specialists all the way through November to work on, and then they never found a solution because by this time it became apparent there was a larger problem. Firing the gun actually damaged the airframe.

Before they could solve these problems they were forced to destroy their planes in January 1945 as Allied ground forces over-ran their field/position. It doesn't sound like this was active front-line testing, from the description, but I could be wrong on that. It SOUNDS more like a controlled testing environment, similar to any other number of German squadrons field-testing new aircraft.


^-- This is why I said I wasn't sure if they ever saw combat... I know they were in a hostile area (all of Germany was, at the time!) but how much was relatively safe testing and test flights, vs combat missions? It's unclear, but doubtful it saw much action if any.


Where did you get the idea that it was cancelled?

Um.... from the fact that they stopped building it. Do you know what cancelled means? It means "no longer wanted," "contractually discontinued," "production shut down, prematurely" or fill in any term you want to use.

The order to cancel production was given in or around August 1944 (same time they started testing) when Allies over-ran some factories in France that were producing either engines or whole aircraft (I cannot recall which), after which point the Hs-129 was cancelled. The production didn't wrap up until September I believe (I am guessing they just finished the airframes they had in progress?)


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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 12:14:10 PM »
This one might be tough to model, IIRC the engine gauges are mounted on the cowlings and you looked out the canopy at the gauges sitting right there on the engines.

I think I aw pics of that somewhere anyway.
wasn't a 110 model like that?

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