New P-40's

[james]

Where do you guys get those manuals. I'm looking for some to go along with my models

[Ack-Ack]

I haven't played with it, but I thought from reading the forums the flaps were too SLOW, and the patch brought them back up to the other P-40 speeds ?

 

The speed the flaps had deployed at originally (140mph) was the correct speed as stated in the flight manual for the P-40, the current speed is incorrect and should be reverted back to the correct speed.  If all the other planes are held to the speeds stated in the flight manuals then the same should apply to the P-40.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

But they aren't. No where that I've seen in the german aircraft manuals does it explicitly say not to lower flaps above 300km/hr, but thats the limit for the 109.

The P-47 cocpit (in-game) says don't lower flaps above 195mph (I belive I've seen some manuals that say don't lower flaps above 225mph, but don't quote me on that), but they have them available right upto 375 IIRC.

Don't know about the Ki-84, I'm not an expert on Japanese aircraft.

[Widewing]

The speed the flaps had deployed at originally (140mph) was the correct speed as stated in the flight manual for the P-40, the current speed is incorrect and should be reverted back to the correct speed.  If all the other planes are held to the speeds stated in the flight manuals then the same should apply to the P-40.

ack-ack

140 mph represents speed limit for deploying full flaps, according to AVG pilot Eric Shilling..... Moreover, the pilot's manual states not to retract flaps at speeds below 160 mph.

[10thmd]

Haven't been able to fly them against actual opponents. How do they stack up against some of the more common LW rides, what about the MW ones?

They very popular?

Get a active account then complain.................

[Krusty]

140 mph represents speed limit for deploying full flaps, according to AVG pilot Eric Shilling..... Moreover, the pilot's manual states not to retract flaps at speeds below 160 mph.

I believe that retraction was for taking off with a full DT, and more of a CYA than a mechanical failing. I've seen them retracted at no speed before, up and down really fast in WW2 footage of a P-40 on the ground.

[Ack-Ack]

Moreover, the pilot's manual states not to retract flaps at speeds below 160 mph.

Only for taking off with 170 gallon drop tank but that doesn't change the fact that flaps can be currently deployed at 195mph, which according to the flight manual is incorrect.  The manual states, "CAUTION: DO NOT LOWER WHEN AIRSPEED IS ABOVE 140MPH".  Nowhere in the flight manual does it indicate that caution is for full flaps.

ack-ack

[SmokinLoon]

The speed the flaps had deployed at originally (140mph) was the correct speed as stated in the flight manual for the P-40, the current speed is incorrect and should be reverted back to the correct speed.  If all the other planes are held to the speeds stated in the flight manuals then the same should apply to the P-40.

ack-ack

I understand the "by the book" theory, but anyone who has spoken with a pilot of WWII knows that those pilots did things they were not supposed to do either because they could or because they had to. 

The current 160 mph (?) flap deployment is more accurate to the manual than where it was at in the old models.  Give some take some. 

[Ack-Ack]

I understand the "by the book" theory, but anyone who has spoken with a pilot of WWII knows that those pilots did things they were not supposed to do either because they could or because they had to. 

The current 160 mph (?) flap deployment is more accurate to the manual than where it was at in the old models.  Give some take some. 

"By the book" is how the deployment speeds for flaps are modeled for all planes, it would be incorrect to make an exception for the P-40 when all other planes are held do the speeds dictated by the flight manuals.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

AKAK, then can you explain the P-47? 190 and 109?


I've seen manuals stating "don't lower above..." speeds for the P-47 flaps, usually in the 190-230mph range, yet P-47's have them available upto 375mph.

And I've seen speeds for LANDING FLAPS for the 109 and 190, but never anything where it explicitly says "do not open 10 degrees of flaps above 300km/hr (or about 195mph)", yet thats the in-game limit for combat flaps, not just landing flaps.

[Ack-Ack]

AKAK, then can you explain the P-47? 190 and 109?

I don't have to explain to show the flaps are deployed in the P-40 at the incorrect speeds as stated in the manual.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

I know, but I was wondering if you knew. I don't know how, but you're usually pretty on top of things in the realism department.

[Widewing]

Additional data on the P-40...

http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/targetvraaf/p40_archive/pdfs/P40N-Flight%20Limits.pdf

http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/targetvraaf/p40_archive/pdfs/P40E,K%20&%20N%20data.pdf

http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/targetvraaf/p40_archive/pdfs/P40E%20vs%20N%20data.pdf

http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/targetvraaf/p40_archive/pdfs/P40N%20RAAF%20A29-412%20&%20418%20Test.pdf

All from this website: http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/targetvraaf/p40_archive/p40_data.htm

[clerick]

Where do you guys get those manuals. I'm looking for some to go along with my models

http://www.flight-manuals.com/

Great source for all manuals!   

[james]

Thanks Clerick