Author Topic: The best fight out there (Read 7260 times)

JUGgler · « **Reply #135 on:** November 16, 2011, 06:37:22 PM »

Quote from: LCADolby on November 16, 2011, 01:24:11 PM

What Changeup said. There's plenty of people in the LW arena that are not looking for the horde mentality.
If you can pull them away from a group a great duel will ensue. It's those small moments of epic palm sweating adrenaline filled duels that make AcesHigh so good.
Once the horders realise how boring, repetitive and mundane real estate capturing is, they will venture out to become one of the higher order of adrenaline duel junkies.
They just need the encouragement.

I think you see this incorrectly. The base capture aspect of Aces High will be the "foundation" of a rejuvinated, revamped and exciting "NEW" chapter in this fine game when an equitable system can be figured out! Tis my belief anyway!

This game cannot stand alone with just furballing, it must follow an evolutionary path towards "WAR"! IMHO

JUGgler

Guppy35 · « **Reply #136 on:** November 16, 2011, 07:18:26 PM »

Quote from: JUGgler on November 16, 2011, 06:37:22 PM

I think you see this incorrectly. The base capture aspect of Aces High will be the "foundation" of a rejuvinated, revamped and exciting "NEW" chapter in this fine game when an equitable system can be figured out! Tis my belief anyway!

This game cannot stand alone with just furballing, it must follow an evolutionary path towards "WAR"! IMHO

JUGgler

If base capture can be a way to generate the fight it's fine. When it becomes the be all, end all of the game, it hurts it. I'll continue to say that limiting base capture and removing the war win would make the difference. If at a certain point you've proven you can take all the bases available, then you have to defend as you can't go any further. Everyone would know at some point the front stops and there will be a fight.

Imagine your 140 players from one country has pushed the other two back to the furthest point. Those folks in the other countries at some point are going to have to push back, and regardless of the size of the horde, it can't go any further. If they want to hold all that territory they need to learn to fight as well as base capture. As an 'furballer', I'd be much more likely to participate in a base capture under those circumstances then the way it is now. It's just whack a mole at the moment.

WWhiskey · « **Reply #137 on:** November 16, 2011, 07:44:43 PM »

Many players come and go, but a few have been here longer than the six years I have played ! I don't know all their secrets to wanting to stay and play, but for me, I can find most any kind of fight I want! Their is always a horde to join, there are always some loners looking for a fight, there are always a few pickers to ruin a good fight ( including me) and most days there is a pretty good GV battle around!
The fact that there is so much to do is why I have stayed so long, the loss of the strat targets is the only thing I have seen that has hurt the game for me both with the ability to make meaningfull bomb runs and to defend against them!

JUGgler · « **Reply #138 on:** November 16, 2011, 10:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Guppy35 on November 16, 2011, 07:18:26 PM

If base capture can be a way to generate the fight it's fine. When it becomes the be all, end all of the game, it hurts it. I'll continue to say that limiting base capture and removing the war win would make the difference. If at a certain point you've proven you can take all the bases available, then you have to defend as you can't go any further. Everyone would know at some point the front stops and there will be a fight.

Imagine your 140 players from one country has pushed the other two back to the furthest point. Those folks in the other countries at some point are going to have to push back, and regardless of the size of the horde, it can't go any further. If they want to hold all that territory they need to learn to fight as well as base capture. As an 'furballer', I'd be much more likely to participate in a base capture under those circumstances then the way it is now. It's just whack a mole at the moment.

Hmm I don't think base capture takes any fight away, quite the contrary, it may be unbalanced, it may be a horde but it is still a fight for those who will challenge it. Hence making it a fight, albeit one sided but never the less a fight for the base takers! The true unbalance comes from the way missions are generated. A mission is posted for capture but there is currently no way to reasonably counter a mission defensively with another mission. Most missions will fail from just a few folks contesting it, but those folks who know how to put a mission together and their main goal is "capture the base" then there is little the defenders can do about it! I ronically I think more compitent missions are good but not when there is no real way to defend against them!

I believe what keeps soooo many folks from "playing to win" instead of "playing not to lose" quite simply is ego! I believe it honestly bothers them to be sent to the tower. I have come to the point that this must be the case, cause there are sooo many vet players that play not to lose! They wear that ego on the fuselage!
But during a base capture these same folks can set asside the ego, and get right in there. I think it's cause in their mind they have an excuse for losing, that being they are there to capture the base, not to own you

JUGgler

Tank-Ace · « **Reply #139 on:** November 17, 2011, 12:34:20 AM »

It may be a fight, but its not what you would call a 'healthy' fight. Infact, its only a fight for the few people that get a chance to engage one of the few defenders that make it up before a cap is put in place.

Massive hordes are hard to contest, since no matter how good you are, you can't fight 4:1 odds forever. Well planned missions are hard to contest, because asside from someone spotting it through pure dumb luck, theres no effective defense.

IMO, hordes and mega-missions are not actually trying to start fights, contrary to what the people in them say, the main goal of hordes and mega missions is actually to "Winz teh WaRz sos I can gets mah perks

" with the absolute least amount of actuall fighting possible.

This is a combat semi-simmulation, with the game play centered around combat, with the map scaling, and even fuel burn rate specificly tailored to improve fights. But no, instead of actually doing what they're spending $180 dollars a year for, they decide to try to AVOID what they're paying for.

Sorry to all war-win twits out there, but I can't thing of anyway you can try to pitch that to us without looking stupid.

icepac · « **Reply #140 on:** November 17, 2011, 08:37:03 AM »

Base capture itself is not an issue.

The issue is how a country goes about it.

Most bases can be taken by 2 or 3 people in a well planned attack with 1 buff, 1 jabo, and 1 troop carrier.

Sadly, what we normally see is 26 guys hovering a base for 4 hours and the only thing damaged is the radar.

Strangely, they spam the country channel for more fighters when a single bomber would have taken care of thier needs.

No bomber arrives.....just more fighters.

They finally get a white flag......oops.....forgot troops........they are 10 minutes away.

They spam channel with troops requests even though all the fighter hangers are now up.

Nine C47s die.

26 fighters finally strafe down the fighter hangers.

3 c47s die to town ack that was never taken down.

Meanwhile.............Limbo has captured 4 fields with the help of one other guy.

DrBone1 · « **Reply #141 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:14:16 AM »

Quote from: icepac on November 17, 2011, 08:37:03 AM

Base capture itself is not an issue.

The issue is how a country goes about it.

Most bases can be taken by 2 or 3 people in a well planned attack with 1 buff, 1 jabo, and 1 troop carrier.

Sadly, what we normally see is 26 guys hovering a base for 4 hours and the only thing damaged is the radar.

Strangely, they spam the country channel for more fighters when a single bomber would have taken care of thier needs.

No bomber arrives.....just more fighters.

They finally get a white flag......oops.....forgot troops........they are 10 minutes away.

They spam channel with troops requests even though all the fighter hangers are now up.

Nine C47s die.

26 fighters finally strafe down the fighter hangers.

3 c47s die to town ack that was never taken down.

Meanwhile.............Limbo has captured 4 fields with the help of one other guy.

QFT very sad but true.

coombz · « **Reply #142 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:21:05 AM »

the best thing is they all WTG each other when they finally capture the base

zack1234 · « **Reply #143 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:38:27 AM »

Wtg Coombzy

coombz · « **Reply #144 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:41:22 AM »

zack and I kill at least 3 hordes together every evening before dinner, in our vintage Hurri 1s

Debrody · « **Reply #145 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:59:55 AM »

conversation in the cockpit:
-hi, Joe!
-hi, Jack!
-whaaa

Dogtown · « **Reply #146 on:** November 17, 2011, 01:37:11 PM »

Debrody..

Crash Orange · « **Reply #147 on:** November 17, 2011, 03:31:38 PM »

Quote from: icepac on November 17, 2011, 08:37:03 AM

Most bases can be taken by 2 or 3 people in a well planned attack with 1 buff, 1 jabo, and 1 troop carrier.

Sure, but those are the takes that only work in the complete absence of any opposition. Anyone looking to roll bases that way is going to avoid fighting way more than the horde does.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #148 on:** November 17, 2011, 04:00:08 PM »

Quote from: Crash Orange on November 17, 2011, 03:31:38 PM

Sure, but those are the takes that only work in the complete absence of any opposition. Anyone looking to roll bases that way is going to avoid fighting way more than the horde does.

TwinBoom · « **Reply #149 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:18:03 PM »

man this has to be the most hijacked thread ever!!!

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