Waterboarding

[skorpion]

On the first page you said you found it interesting too.

Pick a side of the argument and get on it, or get out of the way junior.

the pics were interesting, but im just asking why you had to share it if it really wasnt anything new. i know it happens, pretty much on a daily basis, but once again, nothing new.

(BTW i said the monks burning themselves were interesting on the first page.)

[Shuffler]

Kill a terrorist... don't waterboard.

That is what most here are saying it seems.


How do yall feel we should get information. You can't just dial 411. I'd be interested in yalls thoughts.

[Melvin]

Kill a terrorist... don't waterboard.

That is what most here are saying it seems.


How do yall feel we should get information. You can't just dial 411. I'd be interested in yalls thoughts.

We're supposed to ask them real nicely. After all, terrorists are just misguided youth that really just want to cooperate with their sworn enemies.

 

[skorpion]

How do yall feel we should get information. You can't just dial 411. I'd be interested in yalls thoughts.

Do what the native americans did to the settlers back in the 1700's. Open them up, take the small intestine and nail it to a tree then tell them to walk around it until they either die or you get the info you want.

[Shuffler]

We're supposed to ask them real nicely. After all, terrorists are just misguided youth that really just want to cooperate with their sworn enemies.

 

lol that is what I was thinking.

[68ZooM]

Do what the native americans did to the settlers back in the 1700's. Open them up, take the small intestine and nail it to a tree then tell them to walk around it until they either die or you get the info you want.

really?? didnt know the Indians knew the english language in the 1700's, wheres the link to this info? or is this just more BS like the Ipod story, i'm thinking the later.

[zack1234]

I am Indian

[Rob52240]

I'm a bit disturbed when people assume that because the police or some other authority figure suspects something, it must be true. 

I've been tossed in a cell by men with guns a few times but I've also always been released by a Judge within hours and I've never even been convicted of anything I've been arrested for.  I have little faith in any legal system or those who wish to treat other people as though they're sub-human and deserve no freedom.  Why must we fight totalitarianism abroad only to embrace it at home?

[guncrasher]

rob it is mostly because some people are stupid.  remember the guy who was arrested in atlanta for the bombing during the Olympics?  and it turned out it wasnt him.  and yet there were many people calling for him to be hanged right away.

before you guys go talk about execute all terrorist blah, blah, blah.  first look at this report of people on death row that have been freed for being innocent.  since 1973 to 10/27/2010 there has been 138.  i think about 1200 have been executed and most really deserved what they got, but it is naive to think all were guilty just based on numbers at least 1 could've been innocent.

so yeah, lets get all the terrorist water-boarded and executed, after all we what a terrorits looks like, right?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty



semp

[Melvin]

I'm a bit disturbed when people assume that because the police or some other authority figure suspects something, it must be true. 

Who's saying that? What we're saying is that waterboarding is a minimalist version of "enhanced interrogation".

I've been tossed in a cell by men with guns a few times but I've also always been released by a Judge within hours and I've never even been convicted of anything I've been arrested for.

Really? Within a few hours? So you mean to tell me that the DA built up a case against you that was strong enough to have you picked up, only to have a judge come swooping in and send you on your way for lack of evidence? This must have been some serious stuff you were involved in. I'll bet you were getting ready to hijack an airliner or suicide bomb the Super Bowl huh?

Nah, my guess is you were just soliciting down at the Men's Warehouse.

before you guys go talk about execute all terrorist blah, blah, blah.  first look at this report of people on death row that have been freed for being innocent.  since 1973 to 10/27/2010 there has been 138.  i think about 1200 have been executed and most really deserved what they got, but it is naive to think all were guilty just based on numbers at least 1 could've been innocent.

O.K. semp, 1 guy could have been innocent. That's really too bad for him.

However, the report you posted shows that the system works. It is unfortunate that innocent people get caught up in the dragnet sometimes, however they will eventually be released and well compensated if found innocent.
Another thing you are failing to realize is that a lot of the people released were because advances in technology. People sit on death row so long, that technology eventually catches up with the investigators mistakes.

rob it is mostly because some people are stupid.  remember the guy who was arrested in atlanta for the bombing during the Olympics?  and it turned out it wasnt him.  and yet there were many people calling for him to be hanged right away.

Yes, the people that called for his execution without proper investigation were morons. However, that's not what happened is it? Nice strawman, but you'll have to do better than this.

[Rob52240]

Who's saying that? What we're saying is that waterboarding is a minimalist version of "enhanced interrogation".


Really? Within a few hours? So you mean to tell me that the DA built up a case against you that was strong enough to have you picked up, only to have a judge come swooping in and send you on your way for lack of evidence? This must have been some serious stuff you were involved in. I'll bet you were getting ready to hijack an airliner or suicide bomb the Super Bowl huh?

Nah, my guess is you were just soliciting down at the Men's Warehouse.




O.K. semp, 1 guy could have been innocent. That's really too bad for him.

However, the report you posted shows that the system works. It is unfortunate that innocent people get caught up in the dragnet sometimes, however they will eventually be released and well compensated if found innocent.
Another thing you are failing to realize is that a lot of the people released were because advances in technology. People sit on death row so long, that technology eventually catches up with the investigators mistakes.




Yes, the people that called for his execution without proper investigation were morons. However, that's not what happened is it? Nice strawman, but you'll have to do better than this.

Calling waterboarding a minimalist version of 'Enhanced Interrogation' IE Torture is like saying that a murderer is a minimalist version of a serial killer.

I mean that the judge could easily see that I'm trustworthy enough to come back on my word alone and fight in court.  I wouldn't say that has ever been a lack of evidence but most judges still care about the bill of rights.  It's generally taken 6-12 months to get through the circus we call a legal system, not a justice system but a legal system.

I don't consider any of it serious and I'm certainly not ashamed of it but my initial bond has been as high as 24k and I've only been charged (and not convicted) with 2 felonies and a dozen or so varying degrees of misdemeanors.

Feel free to climb off that high horse of yours at any time.

[Melvin]

Calling waterboarding a minimalist version of 'Enhanced Interrogation' IE Torture is like saying that a murderer is a minimalist version of a serial killer.

Nope, that is a terrible analogy. Try again.

I mean that the judge could easily see that I'm trustworthy enough to come back on my word alone and fight in court.  I wouldn't say that has ever been a lack of evidence but most judges still care about the bill of rights.  It's generally taken 6-12 months to get through the circus we call a legal system, not a justice system but a legal system.

So what you are saying is that they had enough reason to bring you in and press charges, then the judge released you on bail? Yeah, that's kind of how the justice system works fella. Did they waterboard you into giving false info while you were in custody?

Feel free to climb off that high horse of yours at any time.

Wasn't aware that I was riding any high horses, but if you insist then I will proclaim how much I enjoy the view from up here.

[Rob52240]

They felt they had reason to, my judges felt I was honest enough to be released on my word alone.  I've won my cases.

[Melvin]

They felt they had reason to, my judges felt I was honest enough to be released on my word alone.  I've won my cases.

Well that's good.

What exactly does this have to do with the subject of waterboarding though? 

[mensa180]

It is torture, we should use interrogation.  I feel like people underestimate the patience, cleverness, and manipulative abilities of trained interrogators.  It's not like they're going to sit down and have a quick chat with the guy.