No Red Bull 2012

[CAP1]

There was only one crash in the history of red bull and the pilot was not injured.

 if that's the one in australia, technically speaking, he didn't crash. he ditched. sorta.

[Babalonian]

What does Reno have to do with it? Different races, different planes, & different organization.

Same liability insurance(s).

[MachFly]

if that's the one in australia, technically speaking, he didn't crash. he ditched. sorta.

Adilson Kindlemann, MXS-R, in Perth, Australia.

[MachFly]

Same liability insurance(s).

How do you know that?

[RTHolmes]

Its a good bet, theres only a limited pool of insurers prepared to underwrite risks like airshows and they will be very nervous after Reno.

[MachFly]

Its a good bet, theres only a limited pool of insurers prepared to underwrite risks like airshows and they will be very nervous after Reno.

In Reno you have 70 year old aircraft that are pushed beyond the limit. Red Bull uses brand new aircraft that were specifically designed for the race. Therefore those races should not effect each other.

[Babalonian]

How about we skip the 20-questions and get to the point that I know more on how to legaly (or intelligently) throw a modern public aviation and/or acrobatic demonstration event.  It's the same reason why you need a permit from the city to have a festival or protest in their park - not because the land isn't public, but because they don't want to be legaly liable for everything from here to the moon that may happen there unless they give it their official stamp of approval and thus take on that responcibility (and, usually, after you proove to have your event insured/bonded by some other means than the city's coffers)  I don't know it all myself, and never have done it myself, but I know only the illegal or stupid hold one with thousands of spectators (paying or free admission) without any liability insurance.

[Babalonian]

In Reno you have 70 year old aircraft that are pushed beyond the limit. Red Bull uses brand new aircraft that were specifically designed for the race. Therefore those races should not effect each other.

Didn't Red Bull have a modified WWII-era Bearcat (F8F) under its sponsoring portfolio recently?

MachFly wins the Krust-O-Meter award this week.

MachFly, you should know better than I do, that both type of aircraft, 70-year gap or not, are classified in the same class by the FAA, yes?  Infront of a judge and court of law, it's a potatoe-potato arguement.

[RTHolmes]

In Reno you have 70 year old aircraft that are pushed beyond the limit. Red Bull uses brand new aircraft that were specifically designed for the race. Therefore those races should not effect each other.

not how it works

[MachFly]

Didn't Red Bull have a modified WWII-era Bearcat (F8F) under its sponsoring portfolio recently?

They have a whole bunch of stuff, but the only aircraft that are used for races are MXS-Rs and Edge 540s. A few years back they had Extra 300, Extra 230, Su-26, Su-31, CAP 230, and a few others, right now it's just the MXS & the Edge.

MachFly wins the Krust-O-Meter award this week.

lol

[colmbo]

There was only one crash in the history of red bull and the pilot was not injured.

Wasn't it a Red Bull race where two planes touched, one guy bailed out and the other died?

[MachFly]

How about we skip the 20-questions and get to the point that I know more on how to legaly (or intelligently) throw a modern public aviation and/or acrobatic demonstration event.  It's the same reason why you need a permit from the city to have a festival or protest in their park - not because the land isn't public, but because they don't want to be legaly liable for everything from here to the moon that may happen there unless they give it their official stamp of approval and thus take on that responcibility (and, usually, after you proove to have your event insured/bonded by some other means than the city's coffers)  I don't know it all myself, and never have done it myself, but I know only the illegal or stupid hold one with thousands of spectators (paying or free admission) without any liability insurance.

Is that just in the US?

[MachFly]

Wasn't it a Red Bull race where two planes touched, one guy bailed out and the other died?

I don't think so. In Red Bull you have only one plane on the "track". The only thing you can hit is a pylon which you can physically fly though.

[MachFly]

not how it works

So how does it work?
If everything would be interconnected than all airshows would have be stopped and all air traffic around the world would be grounded.

[Golfer]

The Red Bull boys were overdue for a safety standdown when they finally blew the whistle and kudos to them for doing it without needing the hindsight of a tragedy.

There are times you need to stop what you're doing and take a few steps backward to see the big picture in order to move forward. MachFly you really need to try it.

Safety isn't just a flag you raise and proclaim the status. It needs to be cultural in order to be effective and that goes for any industry not just aviation.

I expect they'll be back and if they do their job better than ever.