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Offline Megalodon

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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2011, 06:42:23 PM »
For me it was the bomb rack I miss most. Gondolas I can understand, but the bomb? Even F-2s were running bombs and F-4s as well. JG2 was running them across the channel to bomb the UK to draw out fighters, then engaging with fighters when they upped. Kind of like a reverse "Circus" that the RAF flew over France.

I even skinned one of those planes (10/JG2) and IMO I always liked the history behind it. I miss those bombs. Wish they'd bring them back.


 For me it was both gondies and the bomb but more the gondolas...  at the moment I'm not sure of the number of F4-B's that were produced ...but there were 220 F4 R6's from the factory, not field mods, that's more than some entire plane productions that are in the game and we should have the choice to use them in the hanger

I have a 400+- page handbuch on the F2/F4 that describes the mounting postion and the bolts to use for the under wing pods.





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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #76 on: November 29, 2011, 07:11:30 PM »
Man up Nancy and fly a c.205, it's a mans plane!
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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #77 on: November 29, 2011, 07:21:19 PM »
Man up Nancy and fly a c.205, it's a mans plane!

I flew the 205 when I 1st came back to AH <as a beginner >... its to limited.

Now the C202... that's a mans plane!

Nancy,
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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2011, 07:29:40 PM »
I still miss my old G-10  :(

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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #79 on: November 29, 2011, 07:30:33 PM »
Man up Nancy and fly a c.205, it's a mans plane!

i did.....then i got me a job and got off da welfare so dat i could afford me one of dose shinny and kwellll K$'s with the tater chucker!!!!
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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #80 on: November 29, 2011, 07:52:19 PM »
I flew the 205 when I 1st came back to AH <as a beginner >... its to limited.

Now the C202... that's a mans plane!


Agreed.  205 is a pig.  Gentlemen prefer the 202.

We now take you back to our 109 discussion.

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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2011, 07:53:12 PM »
Okay, first off: "Vastly"???? Try "Marginally".... G-2 has a radius of 636 ft, G-6 has 648 ft.

Secondly: The K-4 isn't really the benchmark. It has a nice sustained climb, but in a combat situation you're not sitting on autopilot. You have zooms, you hang nose-high below best climb speed, etc. The 109K4 isn't nearly as much a UFO as half a dozen other planes in the game, several of them having "Spit" in their name. It is by no means an unstoppable monster. The extra horsepower also adds undesirable low-speed handling qualities that can get it killed if a 109K pilot puts it in the wrong part of its envelope. I think the K-4 is best only if you consider that in the mindset of chasing down late-war monsters with extra speed. Outside that, while I find all 109s capable, I don't see the K-4 as the best overall.

P.S. The G-14 outclimbs the K-4 in most areas below (say) 8-10K.

Krusty, theres other areas of manuverability besides turn rate, though I will admit 'vastly' may have been overstating the case. The G6 just feels sluggish when you're going up into a loop for some reason, as well as when you start to get slower (as is the natural tendency in a fight). The G6 also feels sluggish in climb (I know this is largely a precieved deficency, but perception can effect the results) and acceleration. So yes, while the G-6 may not be much worse under ideal conditions, the G2 still displays better manuverability and handling (handling is a big reason why spitfires are so easy to fly. They don't have any nasty tendencies if you're just a bit too rough with the stick).

You're not sitting on autopilot with a spitfire either. Spit can do some nice climbing tricks, but they still usually get beaten out by a skilled K4 stick. And the K4's engine allows you to very quickly generate engergy, which is a very usefull trait under any circumstances. That energy (be it in the form of speed or altitude) can be converted into either a possitional advantage over an opponent, or bled off in the form of combat manuvering. The undesirable effects on low speed handling (easily avoided or compensated for if you know whats coming, as is true with all planes) is well worth the benefits you get in combat.

By the way, the G-14 barely outclimbs the 109K between about 4000' and 7500', and never gains an edge after. For example, at 25,000', the G14 is hanging around 2000ft/min, while the K4 is still at 3000ft/min. So you would be taking a very minimal increase at an altitude band of less than 4000', for markedly inferior preformance at higher altitude.
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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2011, 09:09:23 PM »
My favorite plane in the game is the 109F.   It is stable, controllable -  very good around stalling speeds.   You can control the aircraft after it stalls to some extent.   You can induce stall turns easily, too.   The aircraft accelerates better than most and can dive at 400 mph and still be controllable - which some don't expect.    I am still a journeyman AH pilot, but if I have any chance of getting good, it will be in this plane.   The guns aren't as much of a handicap as you'd think, either - except in 1 vs 2 or 3 situations.  That 20mm centerline cannon with the 200 round clip is lethal against fighters.   I wince when I have to intercept bombers in the F, though.   It almost always takes a radiator hit and doesn't really have the weight of shot to bring one down easily.  Learning this aircraft is a labor of love.  If I could date the F, I would.

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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2011, 03:47:59 AM »
I flew the F model tonight after work. Killed the only 3 planes I encountered. A yak, 47n and a damned D3A of all things. Well actually I didn't kill the D3A as he ran to his ack when I was about to finish him off. And like a dummy I followed him in it and got popped. But I was very pleased with the plane. I've been playing this game since tour 75 or 76 and I have never once flown this little gem they call the 109F. Shame on me.  :lol It was ablast to fly. The guns are pretty weak, but half of that is probably my gunnery skills aren't up to par either. It doesn't flat turn to the right very well, but other then that the 109F is a down in the dirt dogfighter for sure. I like it almost as much as the G14!

Another thing I was wondering is: I rarely fly anywhere full throttle. I use the gauges and set the RPMs and manifold pressure at the normal cruise setting from the E6B. But I've noticed that one of the 109s gauges (rpms i think  :headscratch:) is covered up by, ....i guess it's part of the gunsight. Is that the correct cockpit modeling? Surely not. It's not so bad in the G14, but in the 109F you can't see the gauge at all.
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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2011, 08:36:49 AM »
That's one of my pet peeves with how HTC is obscuring a number of dials/readouts in some cockpits.

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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2011, 12:02:15 PM »
 Its the othet way around, the G14 has one covered and in the 109F u can see all the gauges.
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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2011, 01:16:39 PM »
I believe in RL, the sight mount thing did swivel 90 degrees, so that if you were not using it, it could be turned off.
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Re: Talk to me about 109s
« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2011, 02:49:54 PM »
I believe in RL, the sight mount thing did swivel 90 degrees, so that if you were not using it, it could be turned off.
ahhh that makes sense.

And you are correct ScottyK, it is the G14 gauge I was wondering about.
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