Author Topic: DITCHES SHOULD COUNT AS KILLS (Read 1775 times)

coyote · « **on:** February 20, 2000, 03:24:00 PM »

It is bad enough that the airfields are so close together that ayone with 15k can dive to the safety of the nearest ak as soon as he spots an enemy with more altitude than himself. BUT NOW WE HAVE THIS CRAP DITCHING MODLE, HELL IT IS EASIER TO "DITCH" THAN TO "LAND"

Last mission i drug a knit SpitIV away from his gang-banging friends , did a high speed climb away , turned and worked him over with 20mm. His Engine was Kaput, I tured to finish him, but b4 I could fire , HE DITCHED, WHAT BS!!!!!!!!! In real life FOUR things would have happened:

1. He would not have been able to dith on that HILL.

2. His engine fire would hab BBQ'ed him before or while he ditched.

3. His aircraft would have been lost OR I would have destroyed it on the ground.

4. I DEFFINATLELY WOULD HAVE STRAFED HIS HAPPY prettythang AS HE RAN FROM THE PLANE LIKE THE COWARD HE WAS.

EASY SOLUTION, DITCHED PLANES AND PILOTS SHOULD REMAIN ON GROUND FOR 2 MINUTES BEFORE BEING ABLE TO REVIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

HAAAAAAAAAA! That would fix their little red wagons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Coyote

coyote · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2000, 03:27:00 PM »

YES, I KNOW It was really a SpitIX, so don't even go there.....

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Coyote

Kieren · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2000, 03:45:00 PM »

Coyote-

I was online and heard the exchange. The guy's engine was dead. He ditched. You didn't get him in time. Life goes on.

You spent the next half hour online calling him names. There is no realistic option for a pilot in a crippled plane but to bail or ditch. I don't blame him at all for trying for the ditch. Nine out of ten times you die trying it, so it was a desparate, last-ditch move.

Let's face it. You beat him. You already had the notch in the belt. Why harrass the guy over a non-issue?

coyote · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2000, 03:56:00 PM »

No, more like 99 times out of 100 you will succeed in ditching. hell I ran my F4U into a hill at 300MPH , it spun around, made alot of noise, then I got out and exited.

And yes I called the coward name, nothing below the belt or obscene. He was a coward and it was BS.

Vermillion · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2000, 04:19:00 PM »

Well... I may not agree with Coyote's "confrontational approach", I do agree with his arguement.

A ditch should count as a kill, but if its in friendly territory it should continue the pilots streak.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

Pongo · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2000, 04:25:00 PM »

I wasnt there...But is he a coward because he didnt stay in the air with no engine? or because he didnt bail and award you the kill?
Is it anoying that according to the algorithm used to decide kills you get nothing but a higher %hit and Air to Air damage on your score but I really dont see how the guy is a coward?
From the details you give it sounds like you attacked a group of planes by yourself probably with lots of E advantage as you where able to pull away, he followed you and then you turned and attacked(HO?) him with a cannon armed(f4u?) plane. You let him seperate and disengage. He did so. Is the brave thing to do to imediatly bail? His plane was mostly intact. Certainly this happend countless times in WW2.
While the imediate warp to field is obviosly not realistic it counter ballances the lack of ground fire and the ease of locating a ditched plane somewhat. The ditching scheme is probably intended to show the real value of a partialy intact airframe.
I think that some people do there best flying during a ditch..they are taking a chance, can they best the guy that just bested them....If they have a few kills on the sortie there is motivation to try to land them.
I agree with you in one way. The number of possible places to ditch should be severly restricted, or the chances of ditching in the dark(forest) patches should be made much less. But I also believe that a landing made weels down on a good terain should not be a ditch at all but a landing.
Better luck next time.

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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew

RAM · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2000, 04:26:00 PM »

Coyote as the "coward" who "cowardly" ditched my plane I tell you that strafe a defenceless man on the ground is much more cowardly than try to LAND (gear down on a LEVEL ground,not a hill) my dead-engined Spitfire in front of your 109.

Face it...you hit me and saw smoke. You THOUGHT that i was touched, not engine dead. so you RAN AWAY from my plane (2.5k) to wait for my engine stopping...but my engine was already dead...who was the coward coyote??? as I told you you must change nicks...put there "roadrunner" and it'll be much better.
So you cowardly waited me to dead my engine trying to catch you. well you digged your feet in pure S***t and when you realized I was LANDING you started yelling "coward, coward"...
he,roadrunner...ho was the coward? you were 1.5K when I touched down...

so enuf talk...you arent worth it...I was only trying to say who was the "coward" you was saying

RAM out

Fatty · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2000, 04:44:00 PM »

Without blaming anyone for taking advantage of the ability to ditch anywhere they can (I do too) under the current circustances, I'd (still) REALLY like to see all non-paved terrain have significant bounce and bump to it (read: crash often), as well as captures etc ditching outside of friendly areas.

Fatty

Kirin · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2000, 04:46:00 PM »

Hey Coyote,

RAM ditched, you didn't get the kill so what? Isn't it satisfactory enough to made him ditch? He's outta the fight you go on find another target. As for being cowardly: Sometimes it's wise to wage your chances and engage or not. You were running away to when me and a bud engaged you. You were even kept running away after my bud disengaged and headed home. I don't call that cowardly that was a good tactical decision. Yes, I kept running from - and two other guys that is - too; I turned back when I thought it was the best tactical option; e.g. when you entered firing range...*

I kinda like the ditch model as it is, HTC probably put more things into the way to hit - like trees, farmhouses, churches etc. ...

*One more point. You wouldn't answer me on the channel so I ask you again. How the hell do you keep your plane that fast? We were racing on the deck, my plane perfectly trimmed, pulling no G's. On the first race, when I chased you it definitly couldnt have been fuel load cause' I ran outta fuel minutes after you crashed. In the second race you gained on me from FAAAAR away.. you even were faster than the pony that was after me. My fuel was at 1/4 to 1/2 at that time. And yes, I was flying a G10 too. And don't give me the answer you gave me on the channel!! Or I start to believe it!

Nevertheless I am having tons of fun here - the only thing is: WHERE IS THE NEXT UPDATE??? It's such a long time ago since we got one... is HTC to busy counting their money now we pay?

Kirin out

CptTrips · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2000, 05:00:00 PM »

>I'd (still) REALLY like to see all non-
>paved terrain have significant bounce and
>bump to it

I agree Fatty. I'd like to see crashes on take off and landings too if you go off the runway bound across the airfield. I've found if I have to ditch in a hot area I'll go in wheels up. I'll stop in half the time. Currently seems a little too easy to do that with risking destruction. Also agree on probability of capture (from ditch or bail)as a function of distance from the nearest friendly field. If captured it should count a kill for the victor.

On the other hand, Coyote make his argument in such an obnoxious manner that I'd almost be willing to change my opinion to avoid agreeing.

Regards,
Wab

iculus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2000, 05:02:00 PM »

I like it the way that it is....

ever hear of the one that got away?

IC

Kieren · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2000, 05:06:00 PM »

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On the other hand, Coyote make his argument in such an obnoxious manner that I'd
almost be willing to change my opinion to avoid agreeing.

hehe, you should have heard the live version...

I can't disagree there are things that need to be changed. I can say that there are better ways to elicit support for such change.

coyote · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2000, 06:30:00 PM »

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSIGHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH!!

I dont ask mor MUCH, but if you are going to respond to my post, IT MIGHT HELP IF YOU READ IT FIRST "PONGO"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now as for you Kirin...
You said "RAM ditched, you didn't get the kill so what? Isn't it satisfactory enough to made him ditch?"

Not just not buy HE** no! WE FLY FOR KILLS, NOT FOR FORCING PEOPLE OUT OF THE FIGHT, I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU TRIED TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT. YOU SHOULD WORK FOR CLINTON/GORE. He is out of the fight??? ? ? how so? does he have to walk for two hours back to base!?!? He laughs(like a coward) and "clicks" on "fly"

You also said "You were running away to when me and a bud engaged you. You were even kept running away after my bud disengaged and headed home."

Hello....... HELLO!!!!!!!! I was trying to get a kill whe 2 spits and 1 109 and 1 205 decided to gang bang me. I PUT THE NOSE DOWN AND GOT THE HELL OUT OF DODGE! you were chasing me at 1000 yards. NOW , WHAT KIND OF MORON WOULD TURN AND ENGAGE A PLANE OF THE SAME MODEL, WITH THE SAME E ,WHEN THE ENEMY IS 1000 YARDS ON YOUR SIX???? COWARDICE DOES NOT EQUAL STUPIDIDTY.

THE PILOT IN QUESTION L O S T a fair ONE ON ONE fight AND DECIDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEAK DITCHING MODLE TO ROB THE VICTOR OF A WELL EARNED KILL.

IN REAL LIFE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD, MOST OF US FLY SIMS LIKE THIS FOR REALISM.

I NOTICED , NOBODY yet has addressed the context of my original message. Must be a bunch of bonified "ditchers" responding.

AND shooting chutes or a man on the ground is not Cowardice, I have never compained one for being shot in my chute. It is the price one sometime pays for losing a fight. I suppose none of you have shot paratroopers LOL.

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Coyote

RAM · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2000, 06:33:00 PM »

wow roadrunner...what a speech...I think I need to say nothing more about you...you say all just by yourselve...dont you?...

RAM out

Pongo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2000, 06:36:00 PM »

Oh my mistake.
as i wasnt there and didnt see the open channel version I thought you were being serios and raising a real concern not just being another sniviling idiot.
Thanks for clarifying that for me

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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew