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Offline 4Prop

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2011, 02:01:04 PM »
The requested P-47 would not be Mid-War, it would be Late-War.

yes I know, but im saying instead of that maybe a P47D-15

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2011, 02:12:13 PM »
yes I know, but im saying instead of that maybe a P47D-15
P-47D-15 would be Late-War I think.  P-47D-11 just barely squeaks into Mid-War as I recall.
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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2011, 02:14:50 PM »
+10000000000

I live jugs, 'specially the big ones.

Plus I think we need another MW jug
There arent "10000000000" new jugs for you.
You can request for the D-1, D-2, D-3, D-4, D-5, etc etc tho     :rofl

A P-47C would be valid, but i cant really see the point in that.
For some people its just never enough.
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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2011, 02:21:00 PM »
Oh, come on. Who do you think you are, skorpion??

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2011, 03:17:13 PM »
If we get ANY P47-C model, it should be the C-6.


just throwing that out there.


Oh, come on. Who do you think you are, skorpion??
i dont think you have any say in this. and i only ask for the P-47-D22.

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2011, 03:25:21 PM »
I was kidding...

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2011, 03:29:15 PM »
If we get ANY P47-C model, it should be the C-6.


just throwing that out there.

I don't recall the C seeing any combat?

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2011, 03:30:07 PM »
I don't recall the C seeing any combat?
got some proof that the C model didnt see any combat? im pretty sure it did.

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2011, 03:46:33 PM »
The 56th FG shipped out for England in Jan 1943, expecting to reunite with the B's they had been training in but were pleasantly surprised to find brand new C's awaiting them. Their B's were assigned to other units. The first P-47 combat victory was a C v a FW- 190 in April 1943.

The D-15 is a contemporary of the F6F-5 which is early for the MW time frame.  F6F-3 without hvar rockets would be more accurate, but just. F6F-5 is easily one of the most popular MW aircraft for a large part its weapons package. A D-15 would definitely enjoy similar popularity. 

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2011, 03:49:11 PM »
Considering the large holes in the Japanese and Italian plane sets, I think we have enough p-47s for now.
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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2011, 03:50:05 PM »
You sure about that? I thought from past forum discussions they trained on the Cs but between when they began training and when they saw combat, they had moved on to D models?

Or something like that?


P.S. I don't think we need a new jug. Not just for a visual addition. It would add no actual capability in this case.

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2011, 04:27:31 PM »
Krusty,

Here is a cyber source, http://www.cradleofaviation.org/history/aircraft/p-47/4.html. I believe many of those B were kept stateside for training. I can offer you print sources when I get back from sea if you like.

It's not just aesthetic, its historical representation~  Razorback P-47s with under wing hard points were one of the most produced of the most numerous US fighter.

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2011, 05:17:56 PM »
The 56th FG shipped out for England in Jan 1943, expecting to reunite with the B's they had been training in but were pleasantly surprised to find brand new C's awaiting them. Their B's were assigned to other units. The first P-47 combat victory was a C v a FW- 190 in April 1943.

The D-15 is a contemporary of the F6F-5 which is early for the MW time frame.  F6F-3 without hvar rockets would be more accurate, but just. F6F-5 is easily one of the most popular MW aircraft for a large part its weapons package. A D-15 would definitely enjoy similar popularity. 

The F6F-5 should not be present in the Mid-War arena.  It is only there as a stand in for the F6F-3 and because its performance doesn't dominate.  Ki-61-I-Tei is in the same boat.
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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2011, 07:43:30 PM »
Krusty,

Here is a cyber source, http://www.cradleofaviation.org/history/aircraft/p-47/4.html. I believe many of those B were kept stateside for training. I can offer you print sources when I get back from sea if you like.

Many thanks, Seadog. You are correct!!! Although... While you are correct, I think it still proves my point. The Cs were in service all of about 1 month or so (going by the dates) and only had the few combat interactions.


"During the first week of April, all three P-47 Groups (4th, 56th and 78th) are formally declared operational. On April 8th, all three Groups turn out for a joint fighter sweep over France. Once again, the Luftwaffe ignores their presence. Several more sweeps are flown during the following days, all uneventful. Finally, on April 15th, Major Donald Blakeslee, of the 4th FG gets the P-47’s first kill by shooting down a Fw 190 near Dieppe. Two weeks later, the 56th loses two Thunderbolts when bounced by Focke Wulfs. They fail to shoot down any of their attackers. These fighters are replaced with the first P-47D models to arrive in the theater. Externally, the difference between the early D models and the P-47C is virtually undetectable to the untrained eye."

Next paragraphs go on to talk about P-47Ds and the photos dated show D models instead.


I disagree with you about the historical representation. While, yes, many razorbacks served longer and with retrofitted drop tanks, water injection, and any other number of field-fitted modifications bringing them up to the newer standards, what does that get us?

It gets us a D-25 with a graphical facelift. In short, it's an aesthetical change. It would offer no performance or mission capability beyond what is already modeled. In a pinch the D-25 more than handily substitutes for a number of razorback rides that predate it. Yes, I agree there is a graphical change, and to some that might be a deal breaker....


...however that aside it's really the same plane, you must admit.

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Re: Ready for P-47 Upgrade!
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2011, 09:09:31 PM »
If another P-47 is needed it would be an earlier P-47 to extend its covered time.  Something like a P-47C or P-47D-5.

We definitely do not need another 1944 P-47.

a early P-47C or D-5 would be nice.  I believe the Russians had the "C".
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