Scratch "Across the board" ENY - Make it USEFUL instead

[Chilli]

Premise:  Here is where ENY could be HELPFUL.  Unless the ENY limit for a country is high, the downtime  of factories would be short, and really not worth the larger country's attempt to shut it down.  Based on supply and demand, when a country with higher numbers in flight, has its manufacturing stopped, stock dries up faster. 

What will be changed from current system?

1)  ENY no longer automatically limits types of aircraft

2)  Each strat is now tied to manufacture of certain late production and limited production aircraft

3)  New Server message is generated to identify the area of manufacturing that has been damaged, "SYSTEM:  Knight Grumman manufacturing has been halted."  Effectively Knights loose ability to fly Hellcat  and TBM for duration determined by the ENY multiplier.

4)  New system of classifying strategic target benefit. Examples:  Merlin ~ P51 D, Lancaster, Messerschmitt ~ 262, 163, 109K4, 109G?, Lavochkin ~ La7, Mitsu ~ Ki-84, etc....

5)  ENY multiplier significantly enhances the effect of strikes done by undermanned countries, while keeping level country downtimes to a tolerable 10 minutes, with the ability to resupply sooner.

Desired outcome:  Game play is more immersive.  ENY is not automatic, players initiate the damage and are rewarded with perk points, and server verification of successful war effort.  Mission Planners are warned before launch that aircraft may be removed from their hangars.  Most important is a country balance tool that is forgiving in offering reasonable alternative aircraft.


* Note:  I believe that most players currently DO NOT CHANGE SIDES TO BALANCE ENY, they log off. 

[Karnak]

Shutting down all Merlin production would suck.

[Chilli]

Karnak,

I appreciate the thought.  Yes, I do agree. That is why the system should target late production or limited production aircraft and vehicles where appropriate.  So, not every aircraft with a Merlin engine would be lost for the "player determined" legnth of time.

My premise is that certain models would have historically had sufficient numbers and replacement parts that they would still be in the hangars.  If your Mosquito (for instance) has been taken out of the fight, then you also have the opportunity to run supplies, not like the current system that enforces a certain number of players having to log on or log off.

Just recently, there was a discussion on how the British managed to fight off the German Luftwaffe with half the numbers in availabe aircraft, during the Battle of Britain  .  There must have been a fierce fight for the Brits to keep every available aircraft  in the fight.  THIS is what this game play feature could add. 

[Lusche]

. That is why the system should target late production or limited production aircraft and vehicles where appropriate.

How is that appropriate at all? What have real world production numbers to do with role and impact of planes / GVs in Aces High? What is the intention? Immersion? We are not simulating WW2 or even it's countries in any way.

For me it just doesn't connect. 

[B-17]

What's ENY?

[guncrasher]

What's ENY?

what happens when you play with more than 1 on your side .


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[The Fugitive]

ENY is designed to give the team with the over whelming numbers a restriction in the availability of the "better" equipment thus handicapping them. If it is NOT automatic, and neither of the other countries attack the strats the country will NOT be handicapped. What you trying to do is to force the other countries to attack the starts of the higher populated country to slow them down. Of course if people spent their time porking ord or dropping hangers a long the fronts they could do that now....... if they weren't so buzy being over run by the higher numbers.

No thanks, ENY is fine as it is.

[guncrasher]

eny is just a thing they use to make players think some airplanes are harder to get kills in than others.  it's not the airplane but the situation that you encounter that if you can read right then you will up the correct airplane.



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[Karnak]

ust recently, there was a discussion on how the British managed to fight off the German Luftwaffe with half the numbers in availabe aircraft, during the Battle of Britain  .  There must have been a fierce fight for the Brits to keep every available aircraft  in the fight.  THIS is what this game play feature could add. 

The Brits actually never lacked for aircraft during the Battle of Britain, they had lots of brand new Hurricanes and Spitfires just waiting to be used.  They had a severe shortage of pilots.


My comment on the Merlin wasn't just about losing my Mossie.  The Merlin is the most used engine in AH.  If a Merlin factory were in the game that all Merlin engined aircraft depended on, losing the factory would eliminate the following aircraft from use:

Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IIc
Hurricane Mk IId
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk VI
Mosquito Mk XVI
P-40F
P-51B
P-51D
Seafire Mk IIc
Spitfire Mk Ia
Spitfire Mk Vb
Spitfire Mk VIII
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XVI

That seems a bit much for a single factory.  Eliminating the P-51s and all Spits other than the perked, unSpitfire like Mk XIV would tick off an awful lot of people.

[Chilli]

Karnak,

You didn't read my response.

That is why the system should target late production or limited production aircraft and vehicles where appropriate.  So, not every aircraft with a Merlin engine would be lost for the "player determined" legnth of time.

So, you could loose the SpitXVI and SpitIX, for instance and still have tons of choices for spit pilots.

[Chilli]

How is that appropriate at all? What have real world production numbers to do with role and impact of planes / GVs in Aces High? What is the intention? Immersion? We are not simulating WW2 or even it's countries in any way.

For me it just doesn't connect. 

Geez Lusche....   Really?  I thought that was one of the considerations for adding new aircraft into the game.   

Okay so maybe you don't like the word immersion, let's try, "Aces High II is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air war." http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Overview

Give it some time.....     maybe it will come to you.  What does the phrase air war mean to you? 

Has playing AHII given you lost hope for anything other than vulching runways, bombing hangars, shooting churches, or bumping your arse on the ground in a C47 in the name of creating combat?  Not that you would do any of these things, but trying to get folks to think outside of the "town capture is everything" box and offer players the option to rally against lopsided numbers.

That is my intention

[Chilli]

ENY is designed to give the team with the over whelming numbers a restriction in the availability of the "better" equipment thus handicapping them. If it is NOT automatic, and neither of the other countries attack the strats the country will NOT be handicapped. What you trying to do is to force the other countries to attack the starts of the higher populated country to slow them down. Of course if people spent their time porking ord or dropping hangers a long the fronts they could do that now....... if they weren't so buzy being over run by the higher numbers.

No thanks, ENY is fine as it is.

How well is that working?  Will ENY ever ground TBM, P38G, P51B, SpitV, Ju88, A6m2, Hurri 1, P47D25, F4F, F4U 1, Bf109 E, Fw190 F8, P40, P39, D3A ?? I couldn't ask for better equipment, so it fails to handicap me.  Sorry, but the best argument that I can find for ENY is to limit the use of Me262s, other than that it is clumbsy and only causes players to log off.   In fact, logging off seems to be the logical solution.   ENY is not fine, it is intrusive, stealth, and extremely good for one thing, quietly grounding missions. 

[Butcher]

The Brits actually never lacked for aircraft during the Battle of Britain, they had lots of brand new Hurricanes and Spitfires just waiting to be used.  They had a severe shortage of pilots.


My comment on the Merlin wasn't just about losing my Mossie.  The Merlin is the most used engine in AH.  If a Merlin factory were in the game that all Merlin engined aircraft depended on, losing the factory would eliminate the following aircraft from use:

Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IIc
Hurricane Mk IId
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk VI
Mosquito Mk XVI
P-40F
P-51B
P-51D
Seafire Mk IIc
Spitfire Mk Ia
Spitfire Mk Vb
Spitfire Mk VIII
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XVI

That seems a bit much for a single factory.  Eliminating the P-51s and all Spits other than the perked, unSpitfire like Mk XIV would tick off an awful lot of people.

I would so be the first person to bomb the Merlin factory just to watch 200 explode with whines, then briefly up a C.202 and watch everyone in horror not know what to do

[Karnak]

Karnak,

You didn't read my response.

So, you could loose the SpitXVI and SpitIX, for instance and still have tons of choices for spit pilots.

What counts as "limited production?"  50? 100? 250? 500?  1000? 2500? 5000?

[4Prop]

How is that appropriate at all? What have real world production numbers to do with role and impact of planes / GVs in Aces High? What is the intention? Immersion? We are not simulating WW2 or even it's countries in any way.

For me it just doesn't connect. 

real world production vs the amount of times that certain plane shotdown. in tour 143, 4,923 P-51D's were shot down. A total of 8,156 were made in what..2 years? no comprende?
Thats what needs to be dealt with IMO