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Offline Slash27

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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2011, 08:40:43 PM »
I hope that is sarcasm since the F-14 has been retired since 2006. Only Iran still flys them and that is the sole reason why we destroyed our entire fleet except for 50 frams which went to museums.
That reason always smelled fishy to me. The F-14 could do the Superhornets job better when they strapped the LANTIRN on. Suddenly it cost too much to maintain the Bombcats and they had to be chopped up so the Iranians wouldn't get the parts. I wonder why we didn't chop up all our F-4s, F-5s, Hueys, and whatever else they have? Sounds like someone got worried about billions in new Superhornet contracts and paid off the right people.

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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2011, 08:49:10 PM »
I hope that is sarcasm since the F-14 has been retired since 2006. Only Iran still flys them and that is the sole reason why we destroyed our entire fleet except for 50 frams which went to museums.

no not really, no reason for me to be sarcastic that I can think of
just shows ya that I quit keeping up with all that stuff after my last squadron was decommisioned back in early 00's, one was in 04 the other squadron was in 07..... although if they were all retired, NAS Jax still had a few flying back up through er edit: meant 2007/2008 not 2009........ but that don't surprise me either they still flew F-4's, A-4's, A(E)-6's and S-3's, long after they all supposed to have been retired/mothballed too.......

I knew they were all to be converted over to the 18's eventually, just wasn't aware that took place 1/2 a decade ago, rofl....

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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2011, 09:13:41 PM »
They have already made one with an F-18 zipping around.

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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2011, 10:52:19 PM »
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2011, 10:58:06 PM »
IMO a sequel would do nothing but hurt the original.
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2011, 03:26:35 AM »
I like the idea, let's face it anything with US Navy jetfighters in it has to be interesting. Easily the best parts of Topgun were the flying sequences. Of course we have CGI these days. We just have to hope they stay true to the original :pray

Of course things have changed, NAS Fallon isn't exactly as charismatic as NAS Miramar in San Diego. The F14s are long gone too.

I wonder too whether they go for more realism or stick to the entertaining but ridiculously inaccurate dog fighting sequences.  One thing though, this time having a woman involved will be realistic. Back in '86, no one really bought the idea of Kelly McGillis as an expert in air combat. Now with female fighter pilots it will be easier to plot.

I look forward to it.

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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2011, 04:05:55 AM »
You really want more of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXxi9IKZSA
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2011, 02:48:56 PM »
so you are saying that both the regular hornet & the Super hornet , now have the same intake design????

you kind of lost me there, the Super Hornet did not even exist back in the 80's when I was in the Navy as an Aviation machinists ( AD / JetMech )

doesn't really matter.....   did they ever convert the F-14 to "fly-by-wire"  like the F-18s ........... something else I started thinking of for no apparent reason......... although I doubt they did or would undertake such a huge overhaul .......... how many F-14 squadrons are even left these days, I wonder???

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At length:  Same general design principles and applied practices, but both are different powerplants (F100: 29kLbThrst | F414: 22kLbThrst) mounted to different airframes (F-15 | F-18), and (while you may be able to jimmy-rig one onto the other with enough duct tape and welding gas) they are not interchangable (you might get them to lineup on the engine, but inside each intake are many other inlets and bleeds for a multitude of sensors or necessary systems).  Both feature a giant box scoop feeding a tunnel that's made/lined with a low-friction carbon-fiber or poly-carbon material, contouring back along the airframe to the engines and narrowing gradually back along the way in a manner to additionaly increase the thrust/speed of the intake air.  Also, throughout the intake is a lot of highly engineered baffling and other inlets to feed intake air to other systems and reduce air turbulence inside the intake itself.  You'd have to see them for yourself to truely apreciate the degree of percision engineering that is going into them, it is finite and thurough.


OK, as for the F-14, the Navy hasn't paid anyone to fly her in over half a decade.  The last carrier launch took place in late July of 2006 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt (I remember that because she's my favorite carrier in the fleet - some call me Teddy).  The F-14's final and last operational flight under U.S operation is cited as taking place "4 October 2006, when an F-14D of VF-31 was ferried from Oceana to Republic Airport on Long Island, NY".  About a year after that, the hoopla over Iran getting their hands on any spare parts sitting in the middle of the dessert got modern mediafied and snesationalised, so starting back then (for the record:  :furious  :O  :bhead  :mad: *insert-waste-toilet-flush-smiley*) and at the bargain beurocratic cost of $40,000 per airframe, some contractor has already long shredded all but a few historicaly preserved display pieces.  :(  They're gone.  All have been deactivated or transitioned to Super Hornets.

And, now for the salt... you probabley know then that it's actually you guys (Navy mechanics/techs) that nailed the F-14s coffin... well, ok, that's not fair, but you're as equally responcible as the bean-counters and Grumman themselves.  The real problem with the F-14 didn't become noticable until the F-18 showed up on the carriers.  And this might sound familiar recently in regards with one of the few military forces that tries operating them today, and that's parts, parts, parts, and more MFing spare parts!  The F-14 became quickly evident that it was not an ideal candidate for continued carrier operations, period.  As a front fighter aircraft in the Navy, you might as well start packing and calling yourself a paperweight.  The numbers I heard was like for every two deployed F-14D squadrons on a carrier, you can have three super hornet squadrons deployed onboard (and these are the hornets that are ~25% larger - going back to the older ones, I think they were talking about shoehorning 5 hornet squadrons for ever 3 tomcat squadron shoehorned onboard....), and that's a drasticly signifigant increase in a fleet's projectable force.  It's single worst characteristic though was that each one deployed onboard required a healthy stockpile of bulky spare parts for the engines and variable angle wing (just ask Iran what they think of the F-14).  In comparison, the largest and bulkiest spare component needing to be stored onboard for the F-18 is a complete engine assembley - the largest F414 for the newest Hornets is still less than 70% the size of an F-14's F110 (again, this is a sign of a flaw/oversight on Grumman's part, as they were advancing development of the tomcat, so they also were advancing the size and mass of the engine and the complexity/size/scale of all its components... yeah... all those variable thrust vector nozzles being proposed for future F-14 varients had the jocks and public fanbase going  :x , while the guys milling about under the flight deck and any Navy bean-counter with the intelligence of knowing you can't keep shoving larger and larer round pegs into the smae square hole was :bhead ...  and... well, yeah... congrats Boeing (it is the public's money, but remember the Navy is the one signing the check).

This is also in large part with why I'm so estatic and "Yes!, Yes!, Lord-why-didn't-they-think-of-it-sooner Yes!" now with the EA-18G comming onboard to replace the archaic EA-6B Prowlers (besides the fact I was a shameles hornet fan before).  It's continueing forward with a strategical move and decision made years ago when they sent the F-14 packing, and if any idea deserves to be half-arse implimented if at all by the Navy then it should definetley not be this one.  My position has, I feel, always been on par with the Navy on this one - this has never been a debate/issue/decision about which aircraft is better than the other individualy, but how to at any given moment project the maximum potential capabilities of each individual ship and thus the entire fleet.  This was a decision about which aircraft is the wisest choice for the US Navy to decide shoehorning a carrier full of them for repeated long deployments out at sea, and a carrier loaded to the brim with F-18s is 30-40% more capable/powerful than one with F-14s.  The F-18 carrier can stay deployed that much longer too because it also has that many more spare parts, spare engines, trained personel, etc..
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2011, 03:01:23 PM »
This thread is useless without pictures.





F-14 Tomcat
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Jessica Alba
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F-18
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Boom goes the dynamite.

I don't see an F-18 in the 3rd picture. I see: some guy, some toy, some field, some crappy road, and an empty sky.
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2011, 03:04:48 PM »
Dang it Babalonian! This is the O'club not the aircraft and vehicles section! who said you could bring logic and fact into this thread?  :D


BTW, I agree with you that the hornet is a better plane in almost all categories (F14 still looks better  :P ).  Simply put, the more roles you can fill with the same general airframe the better (especially in a limited space scenario such as CV operations)
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2011, 03:16:27 PM »
That reason always smelled fishy to me. The F-14 could do the Superhornets job better when they strapped the LANTIRN on. Suddenly it cost too much to maintain the Bombcats and they had to be chopped up so the Iranians wouldn't get the parts. I wonder why we didn't chop up all our F-4s, F-5s, Hueys, and whatever else they have? Sounds like someone got worried about billions in new Superhornet contracts and paid off the right people.

Easy Slash, you're right to be suspicious, but here's your tinfoil hat back.  The biggest misunderstanding here is that the LANTIRN is made to be strapped to all aircraft that don't already come with a built-in radar-assisted low altitude ground avoidance and navigation system.  It's nothing more than an accessory that is also deployable on the F-18, F-16, F-15, etc.  The real shame here, is people (see: die-hard-fans) ignore the continued shortcommings the F-14 has compared to all the others when they too get a LANTIRN.  It's just silly.

As for costs, yes the F-14 cost too much in it's old and outdated form.  Now you want to strap on all these pods and gadgets to upgrade it to being able to participate on par with other aircraft?  So what happens when, as it was being delegated to mostly bombcat roles, our $40-million outdated airframe laced with an additional $60-million in modern avionics and hardware packages eats a 2-cent WWII-era soviet AAA shell?  A $100-million crater.  The most technicly advanced, fully electronic warfare equiped, fully combat capable super hornet, fresh off the line (the EA-18G) - $70-million flyaway cost.   "Sounds like someone got worried about billions wasted in new Grumman and Lockheed contracts and made a SANE choice."  :aok

Oh I'm going to hell, I do enjoy inflating the hornet bubble too much.   :devil

Edit:  Now yes, I'm in direct disagreement with Advanced Tomcat supporters, in that it is a wiser choice to simpley buy brand spanking new ones able to compete.  However, then I must go back to the arguement about maximum projectable fleet power, about the 30-40% gain with the pure Super Hornet decision, and we go back to me steadfastly sticking to my guns on the Super Hornet decision being the best and really only choice when considering economics.
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2011, 03:20:55 PM »
This thread is useless without pictures.





F-14 Tomcat
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Jessica Alba
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F-18
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Jessica Parker
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Boom goes the dynamite.

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(what's scary, this was my fastest post, less than 60 seconds.... I might have a problem... it's a good one.  :D )

Dang it Babalonian! This is the O'club not the aircraft and vehicles section! who said you could bring logic and fact into this thread?  :D


BTW, I agree with you that the hornet is a better plane in almost all categories (F14 still looks better  :P ).  Simply put, the more roles you can fill with the same general airframe the better (especially in a limited space scenario such as CV operations)

Somebody say F-18?   :noid
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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2011, 03:55:08 PM »
This thread is useless without pictures.

Is that you in that picture Melvin?

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Re: For all the "TopGun" movie fans- possible sequel?
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2011, 04:15:12 PM »
Kind of related: Had a random "What if Goose would have lived?" thread in squad forum and this was Zap's reply.  I thought it was pretty much hilarious.

Then the obvious ending would have taken place.

 Mav and goose would have tied ice and slider in points, a first for top gun. A 1v1 would be flown to decide the winner. After an epic fight, ice would wax mav and goose. Despite being sad about losing he would bury the hatchet with ice, who admits "cougar would be proud." mav would also be happy with the closure he gets from viper about his father. As mav and goose stand around reflecting upon top gun and wondering what's next, the urgent call comes in to take out some migs. Ice/mav take their friendship to new heights as ice concedes to cover mav's 6. They wipe the skies with the migs and mav becomes an ace in a day. Hollywood still gets shot down because that boner has no SA. Upon returning to the carrier everyone is ecstatic and a celebration ensues, until the mean, bald officer comes in and kills the music. Everyone gets quiet and turns their attention on him. "I can't believe this but, miramar called and they want you on the next transport back." .... "top gun needs some new instructors!" With that said he walks out and a deafening roar erupts from the crowd, while someone flips the music back on. The room spontaneously fills with red, white, and blue confetti as the party resumes. Amidst the chaos the camera pans in on ice and mav who have found each other in the center of the room. Nose to nose they are locked in an intense stare down, their rivalry renewed. Each man takes a step back and they shake hands, simultaneously saying, "it's on!" as the screen fades to black.

Also opens up the door to Top Gun 2!  :x