Spawn Camping

[W7LPNRICK]

I was wondering yesterday why so many complain about spawn camping. 

All in all it seems to me to be a healthy, fun and addictive pass-time for all and it seems to me the only reason to complain would be if you don't like GVing or flying fighters, attack or bombers.

IMO it's enjoyed all around and is pretty healthy release of tension. Some people need to get angry on this game as part of their enjoyment and tension release so they don't go out a kick their dog, beat their kids, get in trouble at school, etc. The one's that complain the loudest, rarely get mad enough to log off, and, most likely, will just up something different to even the score. It may sound weird, but it's much better that joining a gang to vent anger.

[ARSNishi]

Why would the maps be deserted?  I think it is safe to say that if those few bases on Trinity were to go by the wayside, the TT on that map would light up with tank battles.  That is the reason the Isles map has an active TT, there is no other alternative.  The circle jerkin at gv spawn points do not exist on that map, yet TT is alive and well.  Remove the lowest common denominator and the experience just went up a notch in realism AND game play.   

Irrespective of whether I am the camper or the campee,  I have had an absolute blast at the V135 spawn ......  while I don't disagree with your position entirely, I think it's begs the question.... is my (and everyone else who enjoys that particular spawn) idea of fun any less valued than the purist's that have to drive 5 minutes to the fight?

[VonMessa]

GV spawn camping is one of the travesties within Aces High.  Right along with tanks shooting down aircraft with their main gun, heavy bombers carpet bombing gv's w/ 1k bombs, dog-fighting 163's, and a few other things.   

Camping gv spawn points achieve 2 things: it allows easy kills and quick action, per say.  Obviously right on par with those who like arcade games.

Having a tank engagement in a "tank town" offers a place where men can gather and duke it out from longer starting ranges using cover, speed, and long distance shooting skills.  The engagement is far more representative of the real deal than spawn camping, no doubt there.  The playing field is ultimately even.

See the difference? 

The Trinity map offers the absolute best tank town available in Aces High, yet spawn points at 135 seem to capture the attention of the circle jerkers.   

 

Mmmmmmmm.

My favorite part of GV-ing     

[VonMessa]

IMO it's enjoyed all around and is pretty healthy release of tension. Some people need to get angry on this game as part of their enjoyment and tension release so they don't go out a kick their dog, beat their kids, get in trouble at school, etc. The one's that complain the loudest, rarely get mad enough to log off, and, most likely, will just up something different to even the score. It may sound weird, but it's much better that joining a gang to vent anger.

Gotta watch out for the Idaho Surenos 13, eh?

[Slate]

Irrespective of whether I am the camper or the campee,  I have had an absolute blast at the V135 spawn ......  while I don't disagree with your position entirely, I think it's begs the question.... is my (and everyone else who enjoys that particular spawn) idea of fun any less valued than the purist's that have to drive 5 minutes to the fight?

   

  Love that V135 spawn also. Great fights there but spawning from V187 you're sometimes at a disadvantage unless you own V135. Never heard a complaint of camping or bomb****ing there for some reason. 
  After some intense Dogfighting it's great to relax a little with some tanking. 

[SmokinLoon]

Irrespective of whether I am the camper or the campee,  I have had an absolute blast at the V135 spawn ......  while I don't disagree with your position entirely, I think it's begs the question.... is my (and everyone else who enjoys that particular spawn) idea of fun any less valued than the purist's that have to drive 5 minutes to the fight?

I'm sorry, I cant think of a TT where anyone has to drive 5 min for a tank battle.  Enlighten me if you know of one.  Until you do your "5 minute drive" is irrelevant because it does not exist.  

As for the value in your fun vs my fun, that is not really the point either.  The lowest common denominator for gv battles in AH is the 135 spawn.  Spawn in and either get camped or scurry away for cover.  It is an instant turkey shoot.  Perhaps HTC should introduce the 5k, 10k, 15k, and 20k "insta-spawn" for aircraft?  Would more fun be had because the aircraft can spawn in at altitude?  Nah.  Would tanks have less fun if the 135 spawns didnt exist?  Nah.  Tank Town offers all the same fun as 135, the big thing is there wouldnt be any victims of the constant camp.  Tank towns have at minimum 3 spawn points that are not going to be camped, and it allows for actual tactics to be used.  It allows a level playing field from the start.  

[VonMessa]

I'm sorry, I cant think of a TT where anyone has to drive 5 min for a tank battle.  Enlighten me if you know of one.  Until you do your "5 minute drive" is irrelevant because it does not exist.  

As for the value in your fun vs my fun, that is not really the point either.  The lowest common denominator for gv battles in AH is the 135 spawn.  Spawn in and either get camped or scurry away for cover.  It is an instant turkey shoot.  Perhaps HTC should introduce the 5k, 10k, 15k, and 20k "insta-spawn" for aircraft?  Would more fun be had because the aircraft can spawn in at altitude?  Nah.  Would tanks have less fun if the 135 spawns didnt exist?  Nah.  Tank Town offers all the same fun as 135, the big thing is there wouldnt be any victims of the constant camp.  Tank towns have at minimum 3 spawn points that are not going to be camped, and it allows for actual tactics to be used.  It allows a level playing field from the start.  

I think I read somewhere that you couldn't be the victim of a camped spawn if you didn't spawn there.  Unfortunately, I cannot cite the resource right now...

[SmokinLoon]

I think I read somewhere that you couldn't be the victim of a camped spawn if you didn't spawn there.  Unfortunately, I cannot cite the resource right now...

You are a student of Confucius, ain't ya.    

[VonMessa]

You are a student of Confucius, ain't ya.    

No, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I also know that I won't get shocked if I don't piss on the electric fence  (same book as the spawn camping)

[W7LPNRICK]

Gotta watch out for the Idaho Surenos 13, eh?

Har! I haven't always pitched my tent in Idaho....Phoenix, Dallas, OKC, anyway, it was an obvious exaggeration to make a point.

[BaldEagl]

Irrespective of whether I am the camper or the campee,  I have had an absolute blast at the V135 spawn ......  while I don't disagree with your position entirely, I think it's begs the question.... is my (and everyone else who enjoys that particular spawn) idea of fun any less valued than the purist's that have to drive 5 minutes to the fight?

Of course not.  He's just PO'd because he's in the country that doesn't have access to that spawn.   

To SmokinLoon:

Seriously though, even if you detest that type of play (that so many others obviously enjoy), fly something out there.  The mere fact that the spawn battle rages attracts all types of aircraft at all altitudes.  It's a fun place to play no matter what you like to do.  And that was my point; why complain when it's creating just the types of fights so many wish for. 

You'd seriously rather have that battle in an area that only the most bored pilots would be willing to access?

[ARSNishi]

I'm sorry, I cant think of a TT where anyone has to drive 5 min for a tank battle.  Enlighten me if you know of one.  Until you do your "5 minute drive" is irrelevant because it does not exist.

  I am guilty of a bit of hyperbole there but the premise remains...   it ISN'T the INSTANT action that the V135 spawn offers. 

As for the value in your fun vs my fun, that is not really the point either.

It's MY point.   Hence the reason I took the time to make it. 


 

 The lowest common denominator for gv battles in AH is the 135 spawn.  Spawn in and either get camped or scurry away for cover.  It is an instant turkey shoot.

You've made it abundantly clear that this isn't YOUR version of fun, but what of the many who DO find the INSTANT aspect of this spawn fun?  Should YOUR fun take priority over all of those who already get tons of enjoyment from that instant action spawn?

 

 Perhaps HTC should introduce the 5k, 10k, 15k, and 20k "insta-spawn" for aircraft?  Would more fun be had because the aircraft can spawn in at altitude? Nah.

Having come from Fighter Ace, where such a room existed.... and having cut my teeth in that room, and having gained tons of enjoyment from that room for many years, and knowing that many of my FA comrades choose NOT to make the leap to AH because it doesnt have a comparable room...  I.... am fully aware of the fact that FUN is a very subjective thing, and your arbitrary "Nah's" hint at a bit of smug arrogance.

 Would tanks have less fun if the 135 spawns didnt exist?  Nah.

Again, very presumptuous.

 Tank Town offers all the same fun as 135, the big thing is there wouldnt be any victims of the constant camp.  Tank towns have at minimum 3 spawn points that are not going to be camped, and it allows for actual tactics to be used.  It allows a level playing field from the start.  

As I stated in my first sentence of my first post in this thread....  I have fun there whether Im camping, or being camped....  I realize I may be in the minority with this particular aspect of my argument, but I get tons of enjoyment by breaking a camped spawn by spawning INTO it.  The other night at the V135 spawn, SHawk (who has my gratitude for flying top cover) said to me on VOX...  "you know it's just you fighting against like 6 enemy's down there dont you?"  My reply was "Yeah, I know, but Im having fun!"  Another night at V135 it was me vs 4 or 5 of the Freebirds... incredible fun!   

Have I had fun at that TT in the middle of the island?  (dont know the name of the map)  Yes

Do I get enjoyment from using the run and gun or ambush tactics you seem to be advocating?  Yes

Do I have MORE fun at the V135 spawn?  My answer may change in the future, but for now I have to say YES, I do have more fun there.

I'll leave you with just one of the many sayings I am thankful my Grandfather passed down to me.   "There's enough different ways, for everybody to have one."

  Nish

[icepac]

I overflew tank town at 20k feet in a fighter yesterday and saw at least 15 enemy fighters as high or higher.

Not sure why they were there.....I was just passing through.