Collision Model

[hitech]

The amount of mental thickness displayed in this thread is epic.

It's very simple ...

If the 3D area of the plane/vehicle that YOU are in control of, on YOUR computer, DOES intersect with the 3d area of another "collideable" object ... YOU HAVE COLLIDED.

If the 3D area of the plane/vehicle that YOU are in control of, on YOUR computer, DOES NOT intersect with the 3d area of another "collideable" object ... YOU HAVE NOT COLLIDED.

All the people who have posted that if 1 plane see a collision, then both planes must go down ... they would be the first people back here to piss and moan that they were nowhere near another plane and then next thing they know, they are in the tower.

I would like to see HT introduce an array that would hold all the game ids for those that want the 1 person collides, both planes die.

Then when the code checks to see if there is no collision on their front end, but a collision is detected on the other front end and their gameid equals a gameid stored in the array .... BOOM ... to the tower with them.

I think this would be a simple change and would allow them to have what they think they want and leave the current logic alone for the rest of us sane people.

To get your gameid out the the array, you would have to post an apology on the BBS and plead on your virtual knees to get your gameid out of the array.

After 17 years I have finally heard of a new collision idea that I like. 

HiTech

[RTHolmes]

[a most excellent idea]

 

[dedalos]

Can we get an array for the people that want it off?    

The problem with the collisions is not the how they work in theory.  It is how they work in practice.  In theory, if you don't see a collision you don't collide, you avoid the other guy and everyone is happy.  In practice there are warps, mini warps, stutters, low FPS etc.  Some caused by you, some caused by the other guy, some caused by the inet.  Some are random, some happen when you fire your guns, some when buffs fire, engine smoke, who knows.  Sometimes it is totally random.  So, even though in theory it is very simple (u dont see it, u don;t collide), in practice it is a little bit different and you do not have the control people think they have over them.  Throw in the funny damage you get (missing tail wheel and PW for example) and you can see why people complain.  

Now, last I checked, the fact that you could collide has not stopped any of the HOers from flying into me.  It also, has not stopped any of the dog fighters from getting too close in a fight and colliding.  Nor did I notice less cherry picking because someone was worried about colliding.  So, what is the point of having them on then?  The only use I see is to protect buffs (and that is its own argument thread right there lol).  Other than that - in practice - they serve as another way to stop a fight.

In theory though, yes, great idea to have them on.

[hitech]

Now, last I checked, the fact that you could collide has not stopped any of the HOers from flying into me.  

So your saying you never try to avoid a collision?

HiTech

[dedalos]

So your saying you never try to avoid a collision?

HiTech

lol, of coarse I do.  So if we assume that I have any kind of control over my airplane, I should be avoiding them easily right?  Therefore, we can conclude that when I do collide it is mainly due to the following (since I always do my best to avoid them).

1) I made a mistake and collided.
2) I have no idea what happened because even though my FE did see a collision, I either never saw the guy that crossed my path, he warped into me, I was involved in a fight with multiple cons, I had no speed to avoid, etc.  I had no control of the situation.

So now the question is, how much control do I have over my plane?  I know the fun club will say 0 but seriously (and ask people that have fought me), I do everything I can not to be in a collision situation out of respect of the other guys time.  You can pick and choose what percentage of the collisions are my fault to fit what ever conclusions you want to reach.  But I know me, and I have been playing long enough to understand what is happening.  So, 20% my fault 80% never saw it coming or was unable to do anything about it.

Also keep in mind the playing stile of the people explaining how collisions work.  Most of them I have never found in a fight so their reality may be what they are explaining.

But hey, I can start responding like you also.  Are you saying that collisions are always avoidable?

[grizz441]

Dedalos you probably don't attempt to avoid a collision until it is too late, which is why you feel you don't have control in a lot of situations.

[dedalos]

Dedalos you probably don't attempt to avoid a collision until it is too late, which is why you feel you don't have control in a lot of situations.

So, this is what you get out of me saying that I did not see the bad guy, warped into me, was too slow to do anything about it etc?    You are still treating this as if I think it is a bug or I don;t understand how collisions work.

[grizz441]

So, this is what you get out of me saying that I did not see the bad guy, warped into me, was too slow to do anything about it etc?    You are still treating this as if I think it is a bug or I don;t understand how collisions work.

The only guys that warp into you in this game are joeblack and greens.

[Lusche]

When you really see other planes warp into your plane all the time.... it's you

[dedalos]

The only guys that warp into you in this game are joeblack and greens.

 

[dedalos]

When you really see other planes warp into your plane all the time.... it's you

I agree, but what does that statement have to do with what I wrote?  Remember if some A = B and some B = C, it does not mean that all A = C 

[Changeup]

But hey, I can start responding like you also (he's talking to HiTech).  Are you saying that collisions are always avoidable? (an example of Muzik's point in a prior thread and dedalos is not on the list that Muzik requested of me)

Dedalos has a new nickname...

[dedalos]

Dedalos has a new nickname...

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[SlapShot]

After 17 years I have finally heard of a new collision idea that I like. 

HiTech

Do it !!! ...  ... it would take what ? ... 15 minutes to coad while sipping coffee casually ?

[grizz441]

Do it !!! ...  ... it would take what ? ... 15 minutes to coad while sipping coffee casually ?

Probably not a good business move to show some of his customers how "silly" they are being.  (Silly is a BBS-friendly descriptor)