P-51H

[Butcher]

I have to agree with the others if your lucky (like REALLY lucky) 1 in 10 pony's will stay and fight.....unless its a B they will generally fight.

It comes down to the skill level of the pilot, someone like AKDogg will no doubt give you a run for the money (think he mainly flies a B?).

[Guppy35]

 Steve, GrmRpr, 0ldemon in days of yore.
Steves' gunnery (IMO was the best I've seen) made it so he didn't have to "dog fight" too often.
GrmRpr IMO possibly the best "all around" pony driver.
0ldemom could bend it the best and was the most aggressive.

Skat deffinitely paled in comparison but he was quite good none the less.



 Rogent is good but not at this level yet. Semp (when he chooses to) and Alfamega among others currently the "standard bearers" and are pretty good.




JUGgler

Of the list there, OlDemon is the only one I ever found fighting in a 51 on the deck.  he could really bend it.  Steve flew it to it's advantages, but that meant above and fast.  Not a criticism as he was good at it, but I rarely saw him bend it.  BigR really bends the 51 well down low.  TonyJoey was for a while too.  not sure if he still flies it.

SkatSr flew more like Steve.  I don't ever remember him bending his 51 much and I ran into him a lot in my 38

Defining staying and fighting in a 51 is tough to do.  I think the majority of folks in the 51 don't know how to do anything but go fast from up high.  But as with any bird, there are those few who actually learn to fly it all the way.

[SpencAce]

the H is like a copy of the D
-1, we could be using that creation time for much better things

[Guppy35]

the H is like a copy of the D
-1, we could be using that creation time for much better things

No the H isn't a copy of the D.  That would be the Dallas built K model you are thinking of.  But I do agree with you.  We don't need the H.  If more Mustang variants are added, I'm with the folks who suggested the A36 and 4 50cal Allison 51.  And of the two, I'd prefer the A36 first.

[mechanic]

There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.

ack-ack

I have been known to commit suicide in my pony on occasion but if you are looking for a modern day SkatSr search for a guy named Bluecoat. He has guts.

[Shane]

I had fun helping and watching WldThing learn the pony.  The pony is very capable... all planes are, really...

[Butcher]

I had fun helping and watching WldThing learn the pony.  The pony is very capable... all planes are, really...

Agreed, the Pony is simply misunderstood. It has speed, and not perked, which is a great airplane for novice fliers. Its able to fly them into trouble and out of it without any real threat, problem is novice pilots don't know how to utilize a plane to its maximum effectiveness.

With some basic ACM, I would seriously hate to see a Pony in a dogfight.

[AAJagerX]

There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.

ack-ack

Mir was flying the 51D for quite awhile.  Very willing to mix it up, and did well. 

[oakranger]

Because most 109 sticks use a level of skill unlike most pony sticks who BnZ or run almost all the time.

  Isn't running a form of defensive ACM?

[Guppy35]

  Isn't running a form of defensive ACM?

If the guy knows what he's doing in a BnZ it's not running.  But most don't and their Z is into the next time zone

[Guppy35]

Mir was flying the 51D for quite awhile.  Very willing to mix it up, and did well. 

He still flies it when we're not looking

I think the key is he, like BigR and some others, don't mind losing a fight or 6 to get better in a particular bird like the 51.  In the end, what really do you have to lose by mixing it up?

[AWwrgwy]

P-51H can only be loaded with 6 50-caliber machine guns
Regards,
Kenneth Jr. A P-51D lover

Only 4 .50s.

Where do you think some of the weight savings came from?

No the H isn't a copy of the D.  That would be the Dallas built K model you are thinking of.  But I do agree with you.  We don't need the H.  If more Mustang variants are added, I'm with the folks who suggested the A36 and 4 50cal Allison 51.  And of the two, I'd prefer the A36 first.

6 .50cals.

4 in the wings and 2 in the fuselage/nose under the engine. (Mustang I/P-51 and A-36)

edit:
P-51/Mustang I --> 6 .50s, no underwing stores.
A-36 --> 6 .50s, bomb shackles and dive brakes.
P-51A/Mustang II --> 4 .50s and bomb shackles, no dive brakes.




wrongway

[Tyrannis]

...Dear god the egos of the luftweenies in this topic is staggering.


Ive had run-oh-nines bail out of a fight with me and run. Ive had 109K4's try to BnZ me, Ive been Hoed by plenty of 109s. Just today i was in a ponyB, had a 109g6 actually run to a spit9 to save his hide as soon as i got on his 6.


Im not the best pony pilot around, Im def not the best pilot around, but your precious run-oh-nines and run-ninetys have done the same tactics you mock the Ponys for doing. stop sticking your noses in the air like the luftwaffe iron is the god-sent of air combat aircraft. As far as ive seen, their no better than the "runstangs" you luftweenies complain about.
 

[mechanic]

109s are EZ mode

[Debrody]

Haha tyrannys, you seen a weak one toolin around in a 109... yea, there are weak ones in every ride. I know a couple 109 "only BnZ then run like the wind" types who think they are awsome. They are noones.
I can count on one hand how many "stayandfightstang" types ive ever seen. And yup, they will be respected.
In the other hand, most of the dedicated luft sticks will stay and fight. Its a fact.
The ones who are timid will be explotted from the "luftwheenie" community forever.
So please dont mix up the iron with the crap 

109s are EZ mode

after my 109 anything else is EZ mode