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Offline Widewing

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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2011, 02:09:01 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on December 27, 2011, 07:51:37 PM
That too, but that clean Mustang can't climb as well as a Spitfire.

However I'd argue which one is cleaner. Spitfire also has flushed rebids and it's highback design is more aerodynamic.

But, then you would have to argue drag coefficients, and the P-51D's CDo, despite being a larger aircraft, is significantly less than that of the Spitfire.
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2011, 02:18:08 PM »
Quote from: Krupinski on December 28, 2011, 02:11:54 AM
My K4 could pwn it.

Given equal pilots... The K-4 would be forced to get its kills via vulching. Can't run away, can't climb away, can't dive away and can't even hope to turn with an F8F...
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2011, 02:26:34 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on December 28, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
Given equal pilots... The K-4 would be forced to get its kills via vulching. Can't run away, can't climb away, can't dive away and can't even hope to turn with an F8F...

BAM! Cease fire...I so want the F8F! Finally a bird that will help me overcome my many shortcomings as a pilot.

Boo
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2011, 05:06:30 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on December 28, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
Given equal pilots... The K-4 would be forced to get its kills via vulching. Can't run away, can't climb away, can't dive away and can't even hope to turn with an F8F...

None of that worries me.  :)
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2011, 06:48:45 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on December 28, 2011, 02:09:01 PM
But, then you would have to argue drag coefficients, and the P-51D's CDo, despite being a larger aircraft, is significantly less than that of the Spitfire.

What's CDo?
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2011, 06:49:47 PM »
Quote from: mthrockmor on December 28, 2011, 02:26:34 PM
BAM! Cease fire...I so want the F8F! Finally a bird that will help me overcome my many shortcomings as a pilot.

Boo

Just take the Spit14 out  :aok
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2011, 06:53:06 PM »
The criteria for inclusion to AH should allow for planes that were in production during the war.  It's not the Bearcat's fault the Japanese gave up while it was enroute to pwn them.
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2011, 06:58:07 PM »
Quote from: caldera on December 28, 2011, 06:53:06 PM
It's not the Bearcat's fault the Japanese gave up while it was enroute to pwn them.

 :rofl
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2011, 04:36:49 PM »
Wide,
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  Nice vid,thx for linking it! :aok


  What struck me,besides the incredible climb rate,was the length of the landing gear on the "cat".  Seems pretty long for a navy bird,atleast to my eyes.

  I also noticed the wing is very similar to that of the hellcat{F6F},in shape,how does it compare in reality? I know the hellcat had 1 of the largest wings of any single engine A/C,was wondering how it compares with the bearcats wing.




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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2011, 05:21:27 PM »
Morf I have the F6F, and the F8F both in 1/72 scale and the F8F seems dinky compared to the F6F. When I first got the F8F I thought it was out of scale, but it was close enough for me after I measured it to consider it in scale.
This is a shot of an F6F, F8F, and of course an F4U.
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2011, 06:12:40 PM »
The F8F was the Navy's solution to replace F4F's for small carrier operation. It was designed for max. takeoff performance. I think it had the same engine as the F6F's. The 51D and H aren't designed for max. takeoff performance. The 51's are designed to operate in significantly different conditions than a Navy fighther would be expected to.

I would love to see F8F's, F7F's, and 51H's in this game. However, I think the non-US fliers in this game would probably be humiliated as to the extreme performance.
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2011, 07:27:26 PM »
Quote from: smoe on December 29, 2011, 06:12:40 PM
The F8F was the Navy's solution to replace F4F's for small carrier operation. It was designed for max. takeoff performance. I think it had the same engine as the F6F's. The 51D and H aren't designed for max. takeoff performance. The 51's are designed to operate in significantly different conditions than a Navy fighther would be expected to.

I would love to see F8F's, F7F's, and 51H's in this game. However, I think the non-US fliers in this game would probably be humiliated as to the extreme performance.

Yes the F8F used the R2800 which was in the F6F
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2011, 09:56:32 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on December 28, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
Given equal pilots... The K-4 would be forced to get its kills via vulching. Can't run away, can't climb away, can't dive away and can't even hope to turn with an F8F...
I wasn't under the impression that the F8F was spectacularly fast.  I thought the Bf109K-4 was faster at best alt, not sure about on the deck.
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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2011, 10:12:44 PM »
Quote from: SIK1 on December 29, 2011, 05:21:27 PM
Morf I have the F6F, and the F8F both in 1/72 scale and the F8F seems dinky compared to the F6F. When I first got the F8F I thought it was out of scale, but it was close enough for me after I measured it to consider it in scale.
This is a shot of an F6F, F8F, and of course an F4U.
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  Thx Sik. :aok

  Looks like they shrunk a hellcat and came up with the bearcat...... :lol




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Re: P-51D and F8F do formation takeoff... Sort of.
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2011, 12:25:04 PM »
Quote from: morfiend on December 29, 2011, 10:12:44 PM

  Thx Sik. :aok

  Looks like they shrunk a hellcat and came up with the bearcat...... :lol




   :salute

To me the F8f looks a lot like a 190A with slightly fatter wings. The fuselages are about the same size, and of course the F8f has that tall tail.
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