TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.

[Oldman731]

if HTC turned it up full bore, I would assume it would knock probably 3/4's of the users out of being able to play the game online......

Heh.  You've been reading over the old "no icons" posts?

The observation is plainly true.  The remarkable thing (to me) is how good the graphics are, given the wide range of computers that can handle them.

- oldman

[lulu]

I experimented that with hue setting on max, AH colors looks good now for me. No more too much damned green
and so i can see enemies planes better then before too.


 

[Dead Man Flying]

I think that undeniably some of the graphics in Aces High appear outdated compared to other products - particularly the terrain.  The newer plane models look great, and I suspect the interior design is intentionally functional compared to realistic like in other games such as IL-2.

That said, the base download for AH is just over 200MB.  I looked at a direct download for IL-2, and it's over twice that size (close to 500MB).  I looked at a direct download for the Rise of Flight demo, and it was 3.7GB.  MB for MB, AH clearly has the best "bang for the buck" around graphics-wise.  Outdated in some aspects, yes, but it's amazing how compact they're able to keep the game without making enormous compromises.  I've seen player mods for Neverwinter Nights that weighed in at more than 200MB.

[Kazaa]

I wish HTC would licence World of Planes' game engine and create AHIII.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kzrt_-o5IA&feature=player_embedded

[Midway]

I wish HTC would licence World of Planes' game engine and create AHIII.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kzrt_-o5IA&feature=player_embedded

I wish Kazaa would sign back in to AH and fight Midway. 

 

[Kazaa]

I wish Kazaa would sign back in to AH and fight Midway.  

 

I wish I could get back into AH.

[Shuffler]

Not sure if yall are trying to prove WOP is bad or good. You say good then post some pics that look bad.

I know folks who like that game will play that game. Folks who like Aces High will play this game.

[PFactorDave]

I wish HTC would licence World of Planes' game engine and create AHIII.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kzrt_-o5IA&feature=player_embedded

You know...  As good as the P51 looks in that picture, the shell casing don't look right at all.

For me, the arguments that AH is fine how it is because it is a better simulator just don't make sense to me.  I fear that AH falling behind on graphics will cause the player base to continually shrink as players churn.

The game needs to look good to attract more players.  Then those who enjoy the realistic flight model will stay for that reason.  But if they never get here because they initially chose the better looking game, how are they going to know that AH is better?

[Easyscor]

The thing is, if any of these game publishers can do even part of what they say they’re trying to do, namely combine accurate flight and damage models with arcade play elements and outstanding graphics, I fear all the paying subscribers with high end PCs will migrate over. That will leave AH with all the people with low end rigs that want to migrate over as soon as they can upgrade. I can't help but hope that this is regularly discussed over in Fort Worth.

[33Vortex]

The game needs to look good to attract more players.  Then those who enjoy the realistic flight model will stay for that reason.  But if they never get here because they initially chose the better looking game, how are they going to know that AH is better?

I agree with this, there is a threshold regarding graphics which should not be crossed. What all the other flight sim releases do, if anything, is raising that bar within the genre and for AH. This is a factor which HTC is aware of because what graphics upgrades have we had in the last few years?

However, there is also the customer group who couldn't tell the difference between realistic flight modeling and a simulated boat ride, and most of those will never be attracted to a game like AH simply because it is too darn difficult. I'm sure we all would like to have more targets around, but this is a fact which will always limit the AH customer base. At least that is what I hope because if AH would lower their ambitions of realism to attract more customers... I'll be one of those leaving. Seen it happen before in another game and it certainly didn't work out for them. I do believe HTC is smarter than that though.

[Shuffler]

The thing is, if any of these game publishers can do even part of what they say they’re trying to do, namely combine accurate flight and damage models with arcade play elements and outstanding graphics, I fear all the paying subscribers with high end PCs will migrate over. That will leave AH with all the people with low end rigs that want to migrate over as soon as they can upgrade. I can't help but hope that this is regularly discussed over in Fort Worth.

IF is a big word and all have failed to this point. What IF folks who play those games decide that better FM is more important.

[bustr]

When you look at the WoP sptifire video from the alpha, you will notice in the cockpit view they are increasing your lateral FoV so your 1 to 1 visual aspect for your head can be closer than in Aces High's default cockpit views. They do this by compressing the center of the view field which makes the 114mm square glass reflector plate on the GM MkII gunsight about 76mmW X 114mmH. This also means they are using a none historic main ring diameter for the reticle.

I've noticed in the youtube videos from some competitors that they use this strategy unlike AH which gives you a true 1:1 on full zoom. But, then I'm not sure how many AH players know anything about the real gunsights used by each nation in WW2 either. HTC may be a tad behind on the graphics but, they do a good job on the localised proportions.

You guys don't even realise you are WoP's Marketing Strategy. There are a few AH players who have been in their Alpha and more signing up for their beta. They have had their own people playing AH and reading this board to understand how to get you guys to throw HTC under the bus.

A few highly touched up stills from the game around the Internet. Then YouTube alpha testing game video that only shows you snap shots of action and never gives you time to realy see anything long enough to find the flaws in it. Their terrains are preaty much repeating tiles like ours. Just oriented to historical locations in the WW2 like our maps in the AvA and Scenarios. Our MA is a fantasy land and thats what the maps for it reflect in the terrain tiles. Their YouTube footage is showing a 2 country orientation for that game or the equivalent of our AvA or Scenarios. And you know how imbalanced the AvA can get when everyone wants to fly the best rides so their EGO's don't get hurt.

Just look at how many of you are hooked by this marketing strategy and are throwing Hitech under the bus in his own forum.

Unless you are an alpha tester for that game currently and will identafy your self, none of us know what it realy looks like at this point. So far everything being released to the Internet looks like it's being carefully targeted at a specific kind of unhappy usefull fool. He then is emboldened to infect others with his unhappienss by the virtue of looky, looky, guys. Shiney, shiney, things that go boom and flashy flashy everywhere you see.....  theirs is OUR DREAM COME TRUE.

Welcome to Marketing 101........works good don't it??

[Noir]

whatever you say bustr, AH still looks bad even compared to the older IL2 Sturmkovik series, so saying that WoP will look better than Aces High is a safe bet, even with Photoshopped screenshots.

AH2 engine is showing his age, also on the terrains topic, isn't it the custom textures that make the terrain files grow in size? I have trouble believing that more precise 3D coordinates would increase the terrain sizes beyond the acceptable.

HTC could start by reviewing/making more MA maps that use the refinements offered by the AH2 engine, not reprocessed boring and bad looking AH1 maps. It's been years and years we're waiting now.

Also in the years of broadband, 4.7Gb DVD's, 1Tb HDD's, the client download size is irrelevant. I'd download a 10Gb Aces high client with a big smile on my face.

[curry1]

one of the last "Coral Sea" scenario  terrain / weather and overall arena settings and game play was spectacular ,  there was also a few other scenarios that looked visually awesome......

compared to your everyday Main Arena play........  

I see people keep posting that Aces High is using an old dated graphics engine, this just isn't the case...... as Skuzzy posted in another thread and confirmed what I had posted in an earlier post..... Skuzzy posted that Aces High / HTC is currently on their 3rd FM and Graphics engine at this time........

if HTC turned it up full bore, I would assume it would knock probably 3/4's of the users out of being able to play the game online......

we have had clouds, weather along with other things...... it is the customers / players  who are being thought about the most in regards to this....... in the game/graphics engine before the last one which couldn't come close to this 3rd generation engine, we had clouds we could fly through & hide in...... if ircc it even seemed like we had "weather" to a degree, looked like it anyways.......

I like to think my PC is near the top for  a top gaming rig....... if I max everything out and use 1920 x 1200 screen res, I can choke my system down to an average 29 to 30 FPS or there abouts in that new up and coming game made by the same people who made Wings Of Prey........ going by the 3d alpha benchmark....... I posted a handful of results over on their forum in that particular thread.......

nice post   33Vortex


TC

Just because a game can use a lot of performance doesn't mean it has good graphics.  Sure I can turn shadows all the way up and get 10fps but it doesn't really make the game have good graphics.

[Noir]

Just because a game can use a lot of performance doesn't mean it has good graphics.  Sure I can turn shadows all the way up and get 10fps but it doesn't really make the game have good graphics.

+1, and these shadows are just a hinder when thaey make the gunsights unreadable