TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.

[bustr]

This is turning into a very functional Honey Pot for 2%er Bees.

There is nothing wrong with customer dissatisfaction since it's a valid source of feed back towards product or process improvment. Customer dissatisfaction becomes a problem when the dissatisfaction is it's own emotional reward. Learning to know the two kinds of customer can be an art.

One is valuble to the growth of the company becasue they understand by being given a forum to complain in they are valuble to the company. The other is toxic to the longevity of current customers and by it's own self reward function a deterent to new customers if they are exposed unprepaired to it. Revenge for percieved injury by the dissatisfaction is often the primary motivation of the toxic driven through out their lives.

Welcome to the guessing game.

[curry1]

This is turning into a very functional Honey Pot for 2%er Bees.

There is nothing wrong with customer dissatisfaction since it's a valid source of feed back towards product or process improvment. Customer dissatisfaction becomes a problem when the dissatisfaction is it's own emotional reward. Learning to know the two kinds of customer can be an art.

One is valuble to the growth of the company becasue they understand by being given a forum to complain in they are valuble to the company. The other is toxic to the longevity of current customers and by it's own self reward function a deterent to new customers if they are exposed unprepaired to it. Revenge for percieved injury by the dissatisfaction is often the primary motivation of the toxic driven through out their lives.

Welcome to the guessing game.

I hope I don't sound dissatisfied.  The game is great it does its job flawlessly.  I'm just trying to tell the truth.

[bustr]

One is valuble to the growth of the company becasue they understand by being given a forum to complain in they are valuble to the company.

[USRanger]

When did AH start rendering lens flare??

They don't.  I added it to the pic.

[TequilaChaser]

It sounds like you are one of those people who don't know what they are talking about.  Aces High hasn't redone their engine.  They have made some better textures and added some new features.  The core game is still the same as it ever has been.  All they have done is add small cosmetics.

maybe HiTech, Pyro or Skuzzy will come along and hand out a clue rake for you, so you will not be so lost.....

it is all over these forums in different posts, as well as the different versions  that HTC has come out with  about Aces high

example:  Aces High  went through an overhaul to a new modeling/graphics engine when it went from Aces High to Aces High II

I will stop with that...... no need to argue with someone who clearly does not want to acknowledge anything anyone tells them to be so.......

AckAck just told you that it is correct , yet you go and tear his post apart getting so technical as to tell him that he said Aces high only has rebuilt parts of its engine........

if you do not think I know what I am talking about or posting, then by all means call HTC up and ask them your damn self.......

or you can go and look at the other thread in the Officers Club, where Skuzzy posted that Aces high is on its 3rd engine.....


you reference BF2  and BF3 ......... what makes you think that these 2 versions are done by 2 completely different game design engines?  most of what I read/researched, was BF2 was so taxing on peoples PC's that they had to go in and redo it to lower the resource hogging that BF2 was doing.....  BF3  actually has a lower cpu/graphics/memory draw / usage... than BF2  had .......

anyways,    good luck with that cluerake


TC

[TequilaChaser]

I have the benchmark on my 2009 gaming system. Below are my computer specs, benchmark settings and results.

Intel core I7 2.6Ghz @ 4.0Ghz.
6GB RAM @1600mhz DDR3, 8-8-8-24.
ATI HD5850 X2 (Please note that WoP doesn't currently have a CAP profile so multi GPU scaling is non existent. Only one GFX card was used during the test)

I have no love for motion blur so it wasn't used in this benchmark.
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Results for day benchmark (massive amounts of volumetric clouds)
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Results for night benchmark (much less amounts of volumetric clouds)
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Conclusion

Even without CF support the game runs butter smooth.

you must have one awesomely built gaming rig, Kazaa...... to have such high FPS rates with everything maxed out.......  below is my benchmark results and my pc specs for the WOP alpha benchmark:

Link to my post in the benchmark thread on the WOP Gaijin forums:
http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/4081-world-of-planes-directx-9-benchmark-feedback/page__st__309

[quote name='TC_aka_TequilaChaser' timestamp='1316673028' post='31099']
Good Evening,

my latest Benchmarks:

1024x768  Screen resolution   V-Sync Off
game graphics MAXed Out 
FX Slider Maxed Out
all ticked in post effects:

Day mission:
Average FPS                 147.4
Minimal FPS  Factor    103.1
Rating                          33559


1680 x 1050 Screen resolution  V-Sync Off
game graphics HIGH setting
FX Slider Maxed Out
all ticked in post effects:

Evening  mission:
Average FPS             74.1
Minimal FPS Factor 32.2
Rating                     16853


1920 x 1200 Screen resolution V-Sync Off
game graphics Maxed Out setting
FX Slider Maxed Out
all ticked in post effects:

Morning mission:
Average FPS             44.6
Minimal FPS Factor 17.5
Rating                     10140


1920 x 1200 Screen resolution V-Sync ON
game graphics Maxed Out setting
FX Slider Maxed Out
all ticked in post effects:

Morning mission:
Average FPS             33.5
Minimal FPS Factor 15.6
Rating                       7619


my computer Spec's:
* Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
*Thermaltake Level 10 GT (VN10001W2N) Black SECC / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
*Thermaltake Black Widow W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
*ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
*Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
*CORSAIR CAFA70 120mm Dual-Fan CPU Cooler
*Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive <--- flashed with Crucial SSD firmware rev 009
*HITACHI Deskstar 7K3000 HDS723015BLA642 (0F12114) 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
*CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML16GX3M4A1600C9B
*XFX HD-695X-CDDC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16  <------------------------------------------------------------------------------>  currently  using XFX AMD/ATI   Cat. 11.8  drivers
*ASUS Xonar DS 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Audio Card
*ASUS Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Blu-ray Burner BW-12B1LT LightScribe Support
*LG Black 10X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive  DVD-DL Rewriter LightScribe Support - Model UH12LS28
*Koutech IO-RCM621 All-in-one USB 2.0 3.5" USB 2.0 Front Panel Multi-format Card Reader with USB 2.0 Port
*Hanns-G HZ281HPB 27.5'' 3ms Full HD 1080P HDMI WideScreen LCD Monitor Built-in Speakers
*TekNmotion TM-YB100A 3.5mm Connector Circumaural Black Yapster Universal Gaming Headset
*Logitech G510 gaming Keyboard  wired USB
*GIGABYTE GM-M6880 Noble Black 5+1 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Lazer Dual Lens Gaming Mouse
* CH Products USB Fighter Stick, USB ProThrottle, USB Pro Pedals



I am thinking that all those Higher numbered Benchmark reports are at the original benchmark-install default setting  of --->  1024x768 screen res  / graphic Option = high    setting,

I don't think that  anyone  knew they could change anything on their first run of the benchmark........

just an assumption

<S>

TC
[/quote]

wondering why mine are so bad, for the 1920 x 1200 vsync off  everything maxed out on the graphics.........


oh well........... <S>

TC

[sntslilhlpr6601]

As many have shown with an advanged game engine you can run superb graphics with mid level hardware. In AH2 the engine looks and feels years old and the feeling does not change when ramping up the settings to the max. It reminds me of F1 2002 a bit if I remember the year right... That game was choppy on 2002 hardware and continues to be choppy on 2012 hardware. I remember booting it up for shiggits and giggles because it used to be the game where I wondered when would there be fast enough computer to run it smoothly.

Yay 10 years later it was still choppy. Except now the graphics were totally dated and the new F1 game had a mindbogglingly more advanced graphics and still running much faster on the same hardware

The game engine makes all the difference. Among all this complaining you should remember that HTC is a very small company that has very limited resources and income. They can't work miracles.

AH2 excells in flight model, online play and general fun factor. Even if you took all the graphics sliders to the minimum and played at 640x480 the core experience of AH is still there. Something you can NOT say about wings of prey, IL2 cliffs of bend over or the likes IMO.

Couldn't agree more.

The thing with modern engines is that they aren't exactly easy to produce. And with HTC's small staff I have doubts about whether a complete revamp is even attainable. Sure, I'd love an AH with all the eye candy a modern engine can provide...but I've seen more than one company go south once they decided to expand, so I definitely respect their decision to stay small.

Asking for AH3 is meaningless, it's just a name.  In fact, HTC changed the named of the game from Aces High 2 back to Aces High, which makes sense.  The newest downloadable version is always the latest game version.

Then buy an old  computer, problem solved ; your modern computer is no longer 'suffering' through these 'bad' graphics.

How do you know whether or not the engine is outdated? Did you create it or help with its upkeep? If not, you've never been hit by a cluebyfour.

What remarkable additions to the thread! Thanks! 

[lulu]

I don't think that AH graphics is so bad after all.

I recognize that my hue settings were wrong - they was on a medium level.

I adjust they  - put they at maximum - and now colors look so well that the only
differences between AH and Wings of Prey are a matter of palette choosed to
color the terrains by AH staff and WOP respectively.

Max hue means that every color look exactly like they are in 'nature'.

I can play WOP whit my pc with poor frame rate but I think that it's graphic is
a bit as a 'cartoon's graphic'. It don't add nothing more to the game.

Here the problem is that WE HAVE VERY POOR ARENA TERRAIN COLORS AND PATTERNS DEVELOPMENT.

I'm pretty sure that if we have also just one or two different arena terrain color and patterns all this
discussions would be not do.

 

[Kazaa]

you must have one awesomely built gaming rig, Kazaa...... to have such high FPS rates with everything maxed out.......  below is my benchmark results and my pc specs for the WOP alpha benchmark:

Link to my post in the benchmark thread on the WOP Gaijin forums:
http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/4081-world-of-planes-directx-9-benchmark-feedback/page__st__309

wondering why mine are so bad, for the 1920 x 1200 vsync off  everything maxed out on the graphics.........


oh well........... <S>

TC

Thank you, I'm very proud of my 2009 build. It cost me around £1,100.00 and was my first ever "do it yourself" build. I added the second graphics card later once prices for the ATI HD5850 dropped from £250 to £180.

Maxing out the FX slider will destroy your FPS, it also does it on my machine. If you look at my benchmarks I have the slider all the way to the left. Do the same and I'm sure you'll be much happier with the results.

[33Vortex]

Let me share something with you guys. I bought Rise of Flight long time ago not long after it was released, tested it in single player and flew a few missions. I don't believe I have spent more than a couple hours or so in it since then. The WW1 era aircraft are more like kites, the aerodynamic properties of the wings (and whole a/c) are just so poor and yes flying was in its infancy at the time. I find the feeling to be more like drifting with the wind in a kite, than actually controlled flight. Air combat is very close-range and the vertical can't be used much because of structural limits of the kites. Weapons are crude and not really effective, many times a kill is the result of killing/fatally injuring the pilot.

All in all, WW1 era is not mature air combat wise. Which makes it boring, but that is just me... I know a lot of people are charmed by the sheer beauty and immersion of the game. My perspective however is that Aces High is superior... I mean come on, we had 360 players last night in FSO, it was a riot. 

No visual effects can ever replace the experience of upping with friends in squadron strength and the chatter on vox throughout the event, but again... that's just me.

 

[Kazaa]

CBA.

[Kazan_HB]

 The game is unplayable after the last update. With other games I have no problem.
The graphics look like game of 2000 year. I still useable framerate 30-16 with full detail. WTF?

[33Vortex]

I agree with everything you said. But a more realistic looking sim is much more immersive and that's what us simmers are chasing, the most immersive experience possible.

Of course it is, but the mass engagements we see in Aces High (with actual people) is just not possible in these other games. It is the essence of Aces High and what make the game what it is. There can be 50 planes in a fight over a base (+ defending vehicles) and the complexity of these fights is just beyond anything any other game can replicate. HTC will improve the graphics, they have in the past and they will in the future. They are doing it right now. So I for one am not worried about that aspect, at all.

[Kazaa]

Of course it is, but the mass engagements we see in Aces High (with actual people) is just not possible in these other games. It is the essence of Aces High and what make the game what it is. There can be 50 planes in a fight over a base (+ defending vehicles) and the complexity of these fights is just beyond anything any other game can replicate. HTC will improve the graphics, they have in the past and they will in the future. They are doing it right now. So I for one am not worried about that aspect, at all.

Isn't WoP suppose to feature an MMO style arena just like Aces High? It's going into open beta next week so we'll soon find out.

[33Vortex]

Isn't WoP suppose to feature an MMO style arena just like Aces High? It's going into open beta next week so we'll soon find out.

I do not know about that, but really am not interested in a combat sim which does not have realism in terms of aircraft performance (including weaponry and ballistics), air combat and MMO gameplay as its core features. World of Warplanes seem to be more arcadeish in their approach and being the natural sceptic that I am, they will have to prove themselves before I am trying what they offer. I have seen and played a lot of sims throughout the years, since late 1980's and IBM XT 8086 machines, and online since 1998. Aces High is by far the best air combat simulation currently available to the public. It will take a lot from a newcomer to change that. I am of the opinion that HTC has experience and expertise in the genre which is difficult to match. They have found a niche market which is very small, and they know it. The general public is not interested in a difficult and challenging game, they want instant reward not a game you have to learn or even re-learn if you thought you knew something about air combat. A lot of people are intimidated if put in their proper place by a realistic sim, just look at all the whining going on even here in the "that wasn't fair" category.

So anyone who want to make big money on a large customer base, will have to satisfy them in ways which are not compatible with realistic simulation of WW2 air combat. War is not fair, if you set up a fair fight you are fundamentally wrong in your strategy. It is ruthless exploitation of your own strengths vs the weaknesses of the enemy, without mercy, and a lot of people have a problem with that even in a game. Usually you don't get much whining from dead people, their opinion is sortof nullified but in here they find themselves in a tower somewhere and somehow have this idea in their head that it wasn't their fault that they got shot down. Possibly it wasn't... war isn't fair after all, but to whine about it? This is a game... right?