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Offline titanic3

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Perks Worthy
« on: January 14, 2012, 08:57:47 PM »
I know I'm gonna get flak for this, but just asking the community's opinions...

Should the La-7, Spitfire XVI, P51D, and Bf-109K4 be perked?

Even if it is a light perk (1-5). I'm not asking for it (so don't butcher me into the ground), I'm just asking what everyone thinks about it.
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 09:11:39 PM »
It wouldn't bother me.  But none of those are aircraft that I really enjoy flying.
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 09:21:59 PM »
No, and the Spit XIV shouldn't be either as it fits perfectly in that group.  :old:
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 09:28:25 PM »
Nope they are good as is.
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 09:29:53 PM »
Quote from: Lusche on January 14, 2012, 09:21:59 PM
No, and the Spit XIV shouldn't be either as it fits perfectly in that group.  :old:


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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 09:32:25 PM »
I think it's fine the way it is.
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2012, 09:42:00 PM »
Perked??? Nah.  ENY lowered?  Yes.

For all the P51D does well, it should have a LOWER then 5 ENY (3?).  I think the 8 ENY value the La7 currently has is too high (should be 5).  Likewise, the Spit16 needs to be lowered to less than 5 (4?).  The 109K-4 is limited in what it can do, and I dont fly it much and usually do not have much trouble evading it so I'm, thinking it to be just fine.  The Spit 14 in no way shape or form needs to be perked.  Not even a 5 ENY.  

Regarding the Spit14 vs the La7... compare.  Tell me what the Spit 14 can do that the La7 can not save for the few extra minutes of fuel.  Speed? Nope, La7 wins.  Firepower?  Nope, La7 wins.  Climb?  Nah, close enough to call equal. Ordnance? La7 wins again.  The Spit 14 really only truly out performs the La7 in terms of range... and that is questionable because once WEP is engaged the range/time of flight for the Spit 14 is drastically reduced to near La7 ranges.  

I ***reallY*** hope HTC realizes they are off on this one by quite a ways.  Hard to believe the P47N and Ta152 were perked at one time too.  Does HTC ***really*** think that people are going to take the Spit14 over any other Spitfire, especially the Spit 16 (sooper haxor crutch plane!), or the Spit 8 (fat better turner and over-all better fighter down low)???  HTC, please reconsider the Spit 14.  It needs a perk just like the 109K-4 (it doesn't!).    
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2012, 09:47:51 PM »
If it were up to me:

Bf110G ENY increase to 20.0
Fw190D ENY to 10.0
F4U1D ENY to 15.0
La-7 ENY to 5.0, perked for 2.0.
N1K1 ENY to 5.0
Spitfire VIII to 15.0
Spitfire XIV - remove perk
Spitfire XVI perked for 5.0
Ta-152 ENY to 20.0
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 09:51:50 PM »
It seems to be a somewhat silly discussion.  I can't remember the last time that ENY prevented me from flying an aircraft. 
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 09:56:19 PM »
Quote from: PFactorDave on January 14, 2012, 09:51:50 PM
It seems to be a somewhat silly discussion.  I can't remember the last time that ENY prevented me from flying an aircraft. 

Not so much about the ENY as it is more about the perks you get for shooting other planes down. I've dogfighted with 110s and 152s before and it's kinda bummy when you get only 1.0 perk for shooting a ENY 5.0 plane down (all of them outperforms the 110/152)
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 10:02:34 PM »
Quote from: titanic3 on January 14, 2012, 09:47:51 PM
If it were up to me:

Bf110G ENY increase to 20.0

ENY used to be 20 or 25 IIRC. They raised it so people didnt use it to roll bases NOE when the numbers were high (but now noone goes NOE because of radar) so I see no reason for its ENY to remain at 10. (remodel it while your at it HTC)
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 10:21:12 PM »
Quote from: titanic3 on January 14, 2012, 09:56:19 PM
Not so much about the ENY as it is more about the perks you get for shooting other planes down. I've dogfighted with 110s and 152s before and it's kinda bummy when you get only 1.0 perk for shooting a ENY 5.0 plane down (all of them outperforms the 110/152)

I think the better argument is to raise the ENY value of those particular aircraft then.  

I've never really understood some of the ENY numbers, to be honest.  There are some great aircraft that carry a fairly high ENY value, as well as some marginal aircraft that carry a low ENY number.

It seems to me that some of the ENY values may have been chosen to try to alter certain player behavior that was considered a problem at the time...  I think the 110 is a good example of that.  It used to be the favorite tool of the NOE base rolling set.  But with the other changes in the game that discourage NOE base takes, I don't think it is still appropriate to have the 110G set as low as it is...

I never understood the 152 ENY value...  I haven't flown the Spit14 enough, or seen it in flight enough, to have an opinion on it...

It wouldn't bother me if HTC chose to take a fresh look at the entire ENY system and rebalance it according to more recent usage data...
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 10:53:48 PM »
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I think the better argument is to raise the ENY value of those particular aircraft then.  

That's what I meant.
I think you mixed it up when I said "dogfighted WITH those planes". "With" meaning I was flying the 110 and shot down a spit16 or an La7.


And it's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks some of the ENY values are wacky. I want 15 perks when I shoot down 5x spit16s with a 110G dammit.  :joystick:

As for the Spit14, I think it's fine at 5.0 ENY, it's more or less on par with all the other late war fighters (P51D, La-7, SpitXVI).
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 11:35:14 PM »
Spit8 to eny15, spit16 to eny5 and perked? Do you know whats the difference between those 2 planes? Literally, almost nothing, if you can do something in the 16, you will be able to do the same in the 8.
K4 perked? Why so? Its fast and can climb but pretty poor in everything else. If youre flying it in a non-timid way, one of the most difficult ones to fly. In the righ hands it can beat anything tho...
Pony: perking it would just inspire timidity if thats even possible. Personally i would rather get jumped by multiple spixies than one pony, they are as boring.
Spit14: compare it to the pony. The only thing the pony has is range and dive speed. Very strong all around aircraft. Definiately eny5, but its perk price may be lowered.
Ki-84: definiately not eny20, rather 12-15ish. Fast like a spixie, has the best flaps ever.
M-jug: the poor many tempest. Equal to the pony in many aspects (low-alt speed, range, dive, turn rate and radius) while better at high alts, in stability and guns. 3400 rounds, WOW
Spit16: ridiculously EZ to fly. Can hang with brewsters, hurricanes and zeeks yet can catch a P-38, a D-jug or the Gustav. IMO deserves a low perk cost but again, theres the timidity problem...

IMO it would be nice if we had eny3 fighters, like the Tempest, 262 and the 4-hog, perked as they already are.
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Re: Perks Worthy
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2012, 11:36:30 PM »
huh server lag...
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