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Offline PFactorDave

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Mossie part shedding speed
« on: January 14, 2012, 09:17:45 PM »
Stranded here at the in-laws house...  Bored out of my mind...  Thinking about AH...

Was wondering if someone can tell me at what speed the Mossie (Fighter/Attack version) starts to redistribute its important bits.  I would test it for myself, but I'm stranded at my in-laws...  Like I mentioned at the beginning...

God I'm bored...  But if I keep typing, they will continue to think that I am working and will resist their overwhelming urges to attempt to engage me in conversation....
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 09:19:17 PM »
IIRC, I hit about 460 (?) In a Mossie XIV in the DA (:P) in a fairly steep dive... I only lost parts on the pull out.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 09:39:19 PM »
I keep the IAS below 480. Seems like the elevators fall off a tad after that.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 09:53:44 PM »
I don't know why the Mosquito Mk VI sheds parts at high speed and the Mosquito Mk XVI does not.  So far as I have been able to tell they both have the same tail and the same strengthened universal wing that was introduced with the Mk VI.  I have been trying to find the data in my books to back that up, but have not found it yet, which is why I haven't posted about it.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 10:07:49 PM »
Dont go too far beyond the "making noise" stage, certainly dont do anything drastic.  Be very gentle on the controls and do everything you can do to keep it under 440 TAS.  It will hold the E very well.   ;)
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 10:33:12 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on January 14, 2012, 10:07:49 PM
Dont go too far beyond the "making noise" stage, certainly dont do anything drastic.  Be very gentle on the controls and do everything you can do to keep it under 440 TAS.  It will hold the E very well.   ;)

TAS has nothing to do with parts shedding. Jets routinely exceed their IAS redline in TAS.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2012, 10:38:52 PM »
Stay below 480, or Bad Things happen.

When Im bored, my thought patterns to be:

 - AH
- Mossie
- Speed
- Too Much Speed
- Bad Things
- Very Bad Things
- "Very Bad Things Movie"
- Kobe Tai
- Kobe Tai
- Kobe Tai
- ...

then I find several hours have passed.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 05:16:06 AM »
Quote from: Tupac on January 14, 2012, 10:33:12 PM
TAS has nothing to do with parts shedding. Jets routinely exceed their IAS redline in TAS.

What is TAS?
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 06:26:52 AM »
Quote from: MK-84 on January 15, 2012, 05:16:06 AM
What is TAS?

True Air Speed, the little red indicator on your speed-o-meter, as opposed to the white line which is Indicated Air Speed (IAS).
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 10:57:48 AM »
Quote from: Tupac on January 14, 2012, 10:33:12 PM
TAS has nothing to do with parts shedding. Jets routinely exceed their IAS redline in TAS.

 :bhead

Watch your TAS and tell me when the Mossi comes apart.  I dont care what some jet has for a redline, you are taking this waaaay out in left field, jr.  Stay on target, stay on target. 
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 11:01:28 AM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on January 15, 2012, 10:57:48 AM
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Watch your TAS and tell me when the Mossi comes apart.  I dont care what some jet has for a redline, you are taking this waaaay out in left field, jr.  Stay on target, stay on target. 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicated_airspeed
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 11:04:44 AM »
Quote from: Tupac on January 15, 2012, 11:01:28 AM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicated_airspeed

Little jr pilot puts link to try and make what point???  Im telling you to watch your TAS in a Mossi, in a dive, and tell me when it comes apart.  My post is all about when the Mossi makes noise, dont go much beyond that.  The Mossi starts howling at 450-460 TAS.  Again, bring this back in from waaaay out there in left field. 
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 11:13:24 AM »
They don't give you a never exceed speed in TAS-always IAS. Like I said, TAS has nothing to do with when your bits come off. I know what I'm talking about (in this instance anyways)

The point is TAS is an absolutely meaningless speed when you worry about parts coming off. It's not like I should know anything about this stuff.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 01:03:22 PM »
Quote from: Tupac on January 15, 2012, 11:13:24 AM
They don't give you a never exceed speed in TAS-always IAS. Like I said, TAS has nothing to do with when your bits come off. I know what I'm talking about (in this instance anyways)

The point is TAS is an absolutely meaningless speed when you worry about parts coming off. It's not like I should know anything about this stuff.

Again... you are applying blanket terminology to a situation in which someone asked specifically "when" parts start to fly off the Mossi FB Mk IV.  I don't care what jet red lines where, which definition of TAS/IAS/FU2/OMG/ETC you want to type up or link, or what terminology you try and apply to show off what you think is an expertise, it doesn't matter.

When the Mossi starts to creak and pop, lay off the throttle and make subtle movements or else it will start losing parts, that happens at 450-460 TAS on the AH E6B.  Go pick a e-ego battle somewhere else.

Now go wash some planes for some gas money.   :aok   
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 01:56:17 PM »
Well, if you have an IAS number for shedding parts, it should be good for any altitude shouldn't it?  While a TAS is going to vary by altitude.  IAS will give you a measure of "pressure" on the aircraft, while TAS gives you a measurement of ground distance covered per unit of time, right?

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