PERK THE LANCASTERS (in MWA)

[Karnak]

From someone who doesn't play the game? hasn't been in the MWA arena in ? how long ?

You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak. Another formation of Lancs, blew off his drones after taking out 4 VH hangers and Dive Bombed my M-18. I was defending the map room. This run he came straight down the barrels of my quad 50s 800, 600, 400, 200, before pulling out ... and the 50s were shredding parts off his plane all the way. He dropped to late and his bomb didn't arm ... So I lived to fill his tail full of 50s as he zoomed ... no evident damage, no smoke ... Next run was a repeat of the 1st, but he dropped a little sooner ... keep in mind this is all being done between tight canyon walls and this Lancaster is pulling up and hammerheading like a spitfire ... He got me but his inept teammates blew the base take. Lancaster = IL2 with 14 -1000 lb bombs & 4 motors ??? PERK IT!

The last formation of Lancasters I encountered all died.  I didn't even attack cautiously like I would against a B-17 or B-26.  I am highly skeptical that any player would be able to take out three of the top players even if it included coming out of it with one pulverized Lanc left, let alone undamaged.

You lied.

[Karnak]

See Rule #4

[EVZ]

@ EVZ - I hear what you are saying but I disagree with you.  If you know how to attack bombers, Lancs are among the easiest to shoot down.

Then I guess MOST players don't know how ... the numbers would seem to indicate that there is less than .1% difference in the KD ratio for lancasters, B-17s and B-24s.

I am not the one that brought up the side numbers.  I believe you did.

I related an experience, I may have mentioned the odds ... there wasn't any issue about them.

We have plenty of points to pretty much fly any perked plane we want.

Most regular MW players do ... If Lancs get perked, we will all soon have LESS ... That seems to disturb some people.
 

I just simply don't think there is a reason to perk a lanc in MW. Simple as that.

That's fine, no problem, I never expected everyone to agree ...

I agree that people fly them in ways that are not historically correct, but then again, it is just gamey (gaming the game).

Perking the Lanc should put an end to a LOT of that, if not all. If & when the plane gets remodeled? the issue can be revisited.

[Karnak]

Perking the Lanc should put an end to a LOT of that, if not all. If & when the plane gets remodeled? the issue can be revisited.

What do you expect the remodel to change?  Lancasters were maneuvered hard during the war and while dive bombing in them is silly, nothing specific to the Lancaster is causing that.  To stop that bombs on level bombers need to be droppable only from the F6 bombsight.  Torpedoes and Ju88s excepted.

[Seadog36]

If you want realism, seriously consider flying FSO and AvA.  Bombers are used as intended and get chewed up often.

All the MA's are gamey~ the whole concept of allied planes and vehicles fighting with and against other allied and axis planes and vehicles requires major suspension of historical reality. Just enjoy it for what it is a gamey setup that can be a lot of fun for a wide range of people for different reasons~ whether they want to land grab, gv spawn camp, bomb**** or
alt monkey pick. There are many many ways to gain a gamey advantage and that will keep happening.

FSO enjoys excellent participation, and as a one life event with an assigned a/c it can make for a brief sortie.

Always surprised that FSO isn't more populated with all the history buffs involved in the game proporting to look for historically accurate setups. I guess people wanting their dream ride trumps it.

[grumpy37]

gaming the game is an easy way to cover up ones lack of true skill......    Take it however you want.

[talos]

 
Again, a lot of ppl are forgetting the other major point of this thread, "able to WF a town with one formation." That alone should make it perk worthy, and when you add the fact that (in game) it can do some of the things that we have seen it do (in game). Honestly i would like to see it perked at a base of 10-15, but any perk price would be a step in the right direction

[MK-84]

Again, a lot of ppl are forgetting the other major point of this thread, "able to WF a town with one formation." That alone should make it perk worthy, and when you add the fact that (in game) it can do some of the things that we have seen it do (in game). Honestly i would like to see it perked at a base of 10-15, but any perk price would be a step in the right direction

Have you bothered to look into the stats.

If you had, you would see that the Lanc gets pwned by almost everything, and in alarmingly high numbers.

[Rino]

You can't always bring more buddies in the MW arena. There not always that many people on.


Quite litterally, you're saying "sucks for you, should have taken it up with god". Our constitution is based on the principle that being strong (or in a possition of authority) doesn't mean you get to push the weak around.

And if its just a set or two.... yeah, no reason you shouldn't be able to take care of them.

But perk prices are intended to limit unbalancing aircraft, and the lancaster is a bit unbalancing in the MW arena. Quite often there aren't enough people opposing you to make heavy defensive armament nessecary, which means payload is the priority. The lancaster is the hands down best in that area, and in MW conditions, its a little bit unbalancing.

Therefore, the lancaster deserves a slight perking in the MW arena.

      The constitution is a whole lot more about who gets the money than protecting the weak.

[WWhiskey]

I love to see lancs coming , the more the better!!!  4 sets would be just about perfect for me in a jug or mossie or 110. Why on earth would anyone want to perk the easiest target in the midwar sky?????

[EVZ]

See Rule #4

[talos]

Have you bothered to look into the stats.

If you had, you would see that the Lanc gets pwned by almost everything, and in alarmingly high numbers.

 
If your going to quote/dispute my reply at least bother to refrence what i actually typed up

 Yes it is true that the "majority" of Lancs get "pwned", but the reason why they are the "majority" is because they are the most used. And yes it is true that they have a really bad defensive armament and that doesn't stop ppl from upping them, but the way that Lancs can dive/roll/loop (yes loop), and bring down towns left and right. That is why I and others would like them to be perked

   BTW: Lancaster IIIs currently suffer from a 0.30 kill/death ratio, but as far as i can tell the statistics don't show us how much damage the Lancs actually cause per flight or total. If there is a way to find this out pls let me know and i will bring the numbers to this forum, but i can tell you now that  most flights to a town get anywhere from 12,000 to close to 15,000 points of damage

[EVZ]

Have you bothered to look into the stats.

Why, Yes! I have !!! Do the math on Midwar Kill/Death Ratio and you will see (as of yesterday) the B-17 and B-24 have roughly an 8% advantage over the Lancaster ... I suspect that may be due to our dear Dead Poets fondness for the steady stream of 30,000ft+ B-17s? I'm not sure WHO is flying 24s ... IF the KD ratio is at all indicative of total missions flown? It would seem that the Lancasters fly 4 or 5 times as many missions as the 17s or 24s. I'm sure PART of the popularity is due to a payload that can white flag a town all by itself ... but I think the "GAMEY"  -look at my A-10 lancaster- aspect accounts for a bit of it too ... BOTH are GOOD reasons for it to be perked (minimum 25 - 50 points I'd say) ... it was 450 perks in EW when I checked ... but I should really look again and make sure that wasn't an ENY fluke.

[MK-84]

If your going to quote/dispute my reply at least bother to refrence what i actually typed up

 Yes it is true that the "majority" of Lancs get "pwned", but the reason why they are the "majority" is because they are the most used. And yes it is true that they have a really bad defensive armament and that doesn't stop ppl from upping them, but the way that Lancs can dive/roll/loop (yes loop), and bring down towns left and right. That is why I and others would like them to be perked

   BTW: Lancaster IIIs currently suffer from a 0.30 kill/death ratio, but as far as i can tell the statistics don't show us how much damage the Lancs actually cause per flight or total. If there is a way to find this out pls let me know and i will bring the numbers to this forum, but i can tell you now that  most flights to a town get anywhere from 12,000 to close to 15,000 points of damage

I did...I quoted you, just as I am doing now.

So you agree that the lancs essentially get hacked from the sky on a constant basis, but you are essentially saying it's really awesome and needs perks to control it's use.

But seeing as you agree that they get shot down in droves...

Are you seeing the part why I think this makes little sense?

[EVZ]

the statistics don't show us how much damage the Lancs actually cause per flight or total. If there is a way to find this out pls let me know and i will bring the numbers to this forum, but i can tell you now that  most flights to a town get anywhere from 12,000 to close to 15,000 points of damage

And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage.

What I want to know is WHERE are these stats on how many Lancasters are Upped and what percentage of them are KILLED I keep hearing about ...? I don't see em? ARE they actually available or is this just more, that's what I thunk - hillbilly math?