Author Topic: Brits Rejoice, the Typhoon IB is coming !! (Read 1171 times)

Jochen · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2000, 02:38:00 AM »

I have read the Osprey's book of Typhoon and Tempest Aces and got impression that Typhoon was not very succesfull fighter.

It was fast in low altitudes but I think it took considerable time before it reached top speed. I think also the acceleration was not too great and climb was much inferior to Fw 190A-4, let alone any Bf 109! This was tested by british RAE. Turning capability is similar to Fw 190A-4 so nothing very spectacular. Roll rate was average, and I would guess initial roll rate is bad since it is very heavy plane. In dive Typhoon would compress in not so great speed and it had tendency to shake badly during dive, making aiming difficult.

Typhoons saw most of their air to air action intercepting low flying Luftwaffe fighters which conducted bomb runs to southern england. Later when the plane was found pertty poor dogfighter it was delegated to ground attack role in which it really shined.

In AH I think Typhoon will be mostly ground attack plane. If it wants to do air combat it needs E advantage and it should stay quite stricly in E fighting.

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If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
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funked · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2000, 02:50:00 AM »

Loaded weight was in the 11k range, between the P-51D (10k) and F4U (12k), but it had more power than either. I'd expect initial climb about 3500-3750 fpm.

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Vermillion · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2000, 09:43:00 AM »

Fishu, the Americans called it the M2 cannon, while the British called it the MkII. They're both Hispano's.

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fd ski · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2000, 11:36:00 AM »

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Originally posted by funked:
Loaded weight was in the 11k range, between the P-51D (10k) and F4U (12k), but it had more power than either. I'd expect initial climb about 3500-3750 fpm.

HERESY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS PLANE WAS INFERIOR IN CLIMB TO FW 190, I CAN'T POSSIBLE CLIMB BETTER THEN HURRICANE WITH 3 2000LB BOMBS !!!! WHAAAAAAAA

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jmccaul · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2000, 06:43:00 PM »

A good book about typhoons and tempests is "my part of the sky" by roland beaumont (father of the former england rugby catain). It starts with his time in france flying hurricane's in france then to BoB, from where he got leave and worked as a test pilot for hawker. He then took command of a squad flying hurricane's and almost single-handily turned the typhoon into a ground attack plane because he was bored by the lack of action and wanted something to do so he started taking night raiding parties to france and started shooting things up. Then he went on another development stint at hawker with the tempest. He then moved back to his squadron with the tempest in feb-mar '44 where they started shooting up V1's (he said only spit 14's tempests and "specially boosted 51's could keep up with). After the war he was one of britain's premier test pilots(which i believe he wrote another book on) He rated the tempest as the best fighter of the war (but he would

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RAM · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2000, 08:31:00 PM »

The Typhoon was a failure as a2a fighter no doubt about it. It had a great wingloading that made it hard to turn, a low-to-average rolling rate,poor climbrate ,poor acceleration...yep, the tiffie had a impressive powerful engine but those thick and ugly wings made it to fail as fighter. the P51 was SO fast because its laminar wing. The Typhoon was a failure because the great drag induced by the radiator and those UGLY THICK wings

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BTW If its well modelled in the sim then I wont dive so fast...the after part of the tiffie had a "strange" wanting to know world outside hte fore part in power dives...

About the use to give the tiffie in the game?. Low level Jabo. It could be also a good low level interceptor but here theres not stupid people going low to be intercepted isnt it?..unless they are also low level jabos...hmmm you see it may have more uses, doesnt it?

Chances in A2A? well...I guess that depends on the pilot,as always, but the Tiffie itself isn't able to fight and win any plane in the arena right now in equal terms,In fact they should be unable to win unless with a HUGE E advantage...and then only when the rider knows how to use it...

I'll love trying the tiffie but I must admit that If sometime in the future the Fw190A-5 is given to us, I'll use it as a fighter, and the A-8 as Jabo. The A-8, compared with the Typhoon has slightly less speed,but with the same firepower, or better, much better acceleration and diving,also is a very nimble and quite good Dfighter...
the only thing I really miss in it are the rokets but you cant have all isnt' it?...and the tiffie also hasnt any 30mm

The tiffie was a wonderful Ground attack plane...as France'44 showed...but too lacking in A2A combat...Anyway,as in every plane here, well used will be deadly.

hehe and talking about lacks in A2A...I WANT JU87-G!!! those 37mms ROCKS!! lol

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Sundog · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2000, 10:06:00 PM »

Of course, unlike the F4U, with the tiffy, you will actually be able to see who is chasing you! (I am assuming they are modeling the 1b with the bubble canopy, not the car door version). Of course, that's assuming you missed in the HO! ;-)

Jochen · « **Reply #22 on:** February 24, 2000, 06:42:00 AM »

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HERESY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS PLANE WAS INFERIOR IN CLIMB TO FW 190, I CAN'T POSSIBLE CLIMB BETTER THEN HURRICANE WITH 3 2000LB BOMBS !!!! WHAAAAAAAA

According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.

Turning ability was very similar but Typhoons roll rate, especially initial roll was poorer.

Do your homework ski, roadkille will get you nowhere.

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jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)

If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!

Dinger · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2000, 06:55:00 AM »

Don't forget Buffbuster. The cannon-hawg is currently unrivaled. Another 4xHS plane otta make them buffers cower in fear.

RAM · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2000, 07:01:00 AM »

to kill buffs you must be at the same altitude at them...so 30K?

No buff goes lower than 10k and its very strage to see them under 15-20K. I doubt that having the F4U1-C available, anyone will get the Typhoon to those altitudes...(well at lease he can go,take a cup of cofee,watch the TV and read the newspaper while climbing

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-duma- · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2000, 12:47:00 PM »

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Chances in A2A? well...I guess that depends on the pilot,as always, but the Tiffie itself isn't able to fight and win any plane in the arena right now in equal terms,In fact they should be unable to win unless with a HUGE E advantage...and then only when the rider knows how to use it...

Huge E advantage? That shouldn't take too much in this bird. The most annoying aspect of it is possibly going to be the hit-and-run-and-run-and-run tactics, especially given its reputation as a survivable plane.

Also, Typhoon takeoffs and landings should be HAIRY to say the least. Ailerons didn't have much effect till over 100mph, leading to some close encounters with hangars off the runway... (on some airfields I believe one or two hangars were taken down after a few accidents)

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Kieren · « **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2000, 12:58:00 PM »

Hehe, I guess low-speed scissors won't help on spoiling gun solutions, eh?

fd ski · « **Reply #27 on:** February 24, 2000, 01:35:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Jochen:
According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.

Turning ability was very similar but Typhoons roll rate, especially initial roll was poorer.

Do your homework ski, roadkille will get you nowhere.

For 1942 Fw 190 can hardly be considered a better then average climber

Saying it will outclimb anything "easily" would require matching it against Hurricane

Chill, it's ok, we will still laugh when you whine about Tiffy shooting your bellybutton off

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Wardog · « **Reply #28 on:** February 24, 2000, 01:45:00 PM »

Those of you expecting good performance from the Typhoon will be very disapointed.

This AC is no fighter,but it can zoom at low alt. Useless ay high alt. It could easily catch the fastest LW Fighter Bomber as they where making low-level hit & run raids.

The Napier Saber II (24 cylinder liquid cooled) engine rated at 2,180hp showed poor rate of climb and miserable hi alt performance.

Initial ROC was 3,000ft per min.

Didnt have to worry about ripping wings off at speed,because the rear fusalage would come apart 1st

Cant think of a better plane for clearing 6s in a low furball

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RAM · « **Reply #29 on:** February 24, 2000, 01:51:00 PM »

QUOTE: "Cant think of a better plane for clearing 6s in a low furball "

What about a F4U1-C...or a Fw190A-5?

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