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Offline Vermillion

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« on: February 22, 2000, 09:39:00 AM »
In case anyone missed it, down in the "Feed Me" thread Pyro made the following statement.

 
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Superfly finished the M-16 and went to work on a Typhoon Ib to complement the ground vehicles. I think he finished the external shape today. As soon as Natedog finishes the P-38, he's going to make a tank- probably a late model Panzer IV.

So in the next couple of versions, expect to see the "Tiffy".

   

For those wanting a little history on the Tiffy, click Here

For Perfomance stats click Here

How will it fly, you say? Well from just looking at its performance numbers, this is gonna be a one "interesting" plane in AH.

I. Speed:  The Tiffy will top out at around 405 mph at around 18,000 ft. Roughly the max speed of the La5, and slightly faster than the F4U-1's (398mph). But this is all deceptive. Down low (under 5000 ft), the Tiffy will do 374 mph, which is about 5-10 mph faster than any other plane in AH.

II. Acceleration: With anywhere between 2180hp-2260hp at Sea Level, this aircraft will have an empty powerloading of between 4.02 lbs/hp and 3.88 lbs/hp. Down low expect this plane to accelerate very quickly, but similarly to the N1K2 it will drop off rapidly with height. Heavy fuel loads however, will adversely effect acceleration.

III. Turn Rate:  One way to estimate turn rate is too look at wingloading. With an empty wingloading of 31.48 lbs/sq ft, you can expect the Tiffy to perform similarly to the P-51 Mustang which has a empty wingloading of 32.77 lbs/sq ft. Of course fuel loads and armament carried effect performance accordingly.

IV. Climbrate: Unfortunately, I do not have my references, and I can't find any climbrate data for the Tiffy on the net. Anyone else have any?? But given that the Tiffy has a thick wing similar to the Hurricane, and a powerful low altitude engine, I would expect initial climbrates to be very good, but fall off quickly as altitude increases.

V. Firepower:  This bird carries the exact same armament as the F4U-1C, which is four (4) wing mounted Hispano Mk II 20mm cannons. Extremely deadly. The only difference would be in the ammount of ammo it carries (anyone got ammo counts per gun?). Some late model Tiffy's were equiped with Mk V Hispano's which had shorter barrels (no protruding barrels from the wings), but I would expect our version to be equipped with the Mk II's. Additionally, the Tiffy could carry up too 6 rockets, and carry two 500 lb bombs.

Conclusion? Well once the Tiffy shows up, we can all complain about the latest "Dweeb ride". Under 15,000 ft, this plane will be extremely fast, and very well armed. It will accel at ground attack, and will displace the F4U-1C as the king of the VulchBirds.

The only questions are, 1.) Do we get a bubble canopy, and 2.) Are we getting the Typhoon Ib series I (2180hp), series II (2200hp), or series III (2206hp).

And if we are getting the Typhoon, how far behind can the Tempest be?

[EDIT: I know one thing is for sure, with that fat tail and drooping radiator housing, this plane is butt ugly]
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2000, 09:46:00 AM »
Wow... and folks say my Corsair is big and ugly...  

Verm, Pyro said in the note you clipped that it would be the 1b.  

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2000, 09:57:00 AM »
Heheh I know Lephturn, but my point is

In the Typhoon Ib production, there was a series I, series II, and a series III, at least according my interpretation of the website I looked at.

Just like you can have a P-38J-5, P-38J-10, P-38J-15, etc., just like the American block numbers.

Maybe I am just reading the material wrong.  

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2000, 10:03:00 AM »
AND TANKS TOO!!!

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2000, 01:07:00 PM »
  Speed and cannon, oooooww

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2000, 01:08:00 PM »
Verm : i believe climb rate is very closley linked to acceleration. I reserve the right to be wrong though  

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2000, 01:24:00 PM »
So the Fw190 should climb great! lol...
nope climbrate and acceleration are liked but not closely.

About the ammo, I believe it was 125 rpg...enough to kill   ...and the Tiffie turned like a pig...ahhhh good...fresh bait for my Fw190A-4!!!!  

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2000, 02:42:00 PM »
Yes it is ugly, but the radial Centaurus engine in the beautiful Tempest II more than made up for it (no under-nose engine intake  

The Typhoon is a ground attack plane and not much more, thought inferior by British pilots when flown over 10,000ft (!). Not a buff buster   It was not much good as a fighter, although it can be a scary sight in low level dogfights if energy is kept, but as a ground attack aircraft... well, look out, tanks  

Basically it's a plane to contend with at low level, and only an idiot will take it up over 15,000ft maximum. I'd be cautious attacking one of these without an altitude advantage, but it's not an uberfighter and I'd be disappointed to see it modelled as such. It's been a long time since the Typhoon was well modelled in a sim.. no, wait. The Typhoon has never been well modelled in a sim  

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2000, 02:44:00 PM »
Excellent book on flying the Typhoon

Typhoon pilot / by Desmond J Scott.
Published: London : Secker & Warburg, 1982.

Tanks hmm??
Quote taken from link to Typhoon history above:

'The Typhoon IB, by now affectionately known as the "Tiffy", distinguished itself particularly in the Battle of Normandy, where it decimated a large
concentration of armor ahead of Avranches, disposing of no fewer than 137 tanks, and opening the way for the liberation of France and Belgium.'

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2000, 03:00:00 PM »
Flying a "Tiffy" above 15k would be pure insanity but HELL!!! who said I was sane!  

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2000, 03:26:00 PM »
They gonna model the "detachable" empennage?

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2000, 03:30:00 PM »
Dang! Funked, beat me to it!  

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2000, 03:30:00 PM »
I don't know guys.... I wouldn't discount the Tiffy in the fighter role, quite so easily.  Remember the Arena is not reality.

The N1K2 is another "great low, but much slower at high altitude" and I see them flown very effectively above 20k.

Remember also that many of the high altitude fights are much flater at 25k+ (much less vertical and loop manuvers) and there are alot of front quarter shots. And think how deadly the -1C is in front quarter shots.  Plus its manueverability should be in the same range as a P-51, not good, but useable up high.

And plus I figure it will be a fairly decent diving aircraft (what plane can't dive well in AH?).  Of course compression limits will be the deciding factor (which may be fairly low given the thick wing)

So once the Tiffy starts to lose angles up high, a smart driver will point the nose towards home and run.  Once he gets low enough nothing can possibly catch him.

And when the Tiffy catches a bandit lower than its self, it won't take many BnZ passes to finish it off.

I will wait to see before I pass final judgement   But if you think the -1C is deadly, you will be absolutely freaked out by this plane, as long as it is flown in a intelligently in a 190 styel or F4U style.

{Edit: I guess Funked it all depends on "which" Typhoon Ib we get. From what I have read that problem was fixed by the time they started working on the Tempest, definitely by 1944. But I secretly hope they have a "fragile tail"   Otherwise I will probably end up dying to them alot}

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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2000, 03:59:00 PM »
The pilot's notes for the Typhoon IB gave maximum speeds (indicated) before appreciable loss of control from compression as:

20,000ft 425mph
25,000ft 385mph
30,000ft 340mph
35,000ft -

After testing, limiting Mach number was found to be 0.79, critical Mach number 0.81. Hope this means something to somebody  

Taken from 'Testing For Combat' by Captain Eric Brown, who test-flew Typhoons (Mk IB, with 2,200hp Sabre IIA engine) for the compression effects - so I'd trust his figures personally.

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2000, 02:35:00 AM »
"Exact same cannon"... hispano? in F4u?
Isn't that F4u's cannon name a bit different, same as in P-38.. doesn't sound like hispano?